New Bankruptcy Law Could Exact a Toll on Storm Victims

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    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-bankrupt7sep07,1,7031138.story
     
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    Now now, we've all been told that the problem is that people spend beyond their means and then deliberately seek bankruptcy protection rather than make any effort to pay off their debt. Responsible people don't end up in bankruptcy.





    Riiiighht. Similar to when Tom DeLay was asked if a temporary rollback in the federal gas tax would be a good way to help deal with the sharp rise in gas prices.
    Yet we must cut the estate tax now more than ever when we need the money to fund our infrastructure? The cognitive dissonance is nearly deafening...
     
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    Congress has tabled the legislation to eliminate the estate tax for now, but I suspect it will make a roaring comeback when our TV screens are no longer filled with images of thousands of homeless poor people. Then Congress can get back to their real mission -- comforting the comfortable.
     
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    Don't you mean untabled? Actually, I can see the confusion: it should be shelved. Same surface, different level... ;)


    After that it can be chaired, wardrobed, bookcased or dressered. Bring on the Interior Decorators!
     
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    Ah, I think we may have stumbled upon another subtle difference between British and American English. When an action or motion is not being considered, we say it has been tabled. I thought this was in accordance with the language of Robert's Rules of Order, but perhaps not.
     
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    We say - or those of us that know, anyway - it's "tabled" as in "put on the table (for consideration)". I thought you would too, unless your tables are much higher than ours.
    :)
     
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    Or perhaps we're turning the tables. (You'd need a lathe for that of course.)

    Your question sent me scurrying for Robert's Rules of Order (thanks a lot -- I'll remember to do you a favor sometime :)).

    So, according too Robert's, when a motion is postponed for consideration either indefinitely or to a time certain, it is said to be "laid on the table."

    Sounds a bit rude, actually.
     
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    Well it just goes to show, you learn something everyday. Unfortunately now that I have learned that fact, I can't remember algebra...
     
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    Is a motion female or male, according to Roberts?
     
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    I think you guys are saying pretty much the same thing.
    an option is "tabled" when is not accepted, nor rejected outright, but remanded to further discussion: put back on the table.
    of course, in congress this could be a lengthy process.
     
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    It depends. Some motions are maid, some aren't.
     
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    Some maids are laid on tables. Not so many on shelves, though.
     
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    the shelved ones are typically not laid, others are laid on plaids
     
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    Some are waiting at tables. Some are lying on shelves. It's a funny old world, furniture-wise.
     
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    I wonder why this old show tune keeps running through my mind?
     
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    This thread went from deep to shallow so quickly, I think I've hurt my neck...

    As to the original post, I again reitterate my optimism that the very scope and location of this disaster (wide and near, respectively), would demand attention and possibly change to many of these laws that have quietly passed in the past few years.

    Perhaps it will come too late for those unfortunate down on the Gulf, we shall soon see....
     
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    You have 6 weeks to file a BK under the old rules, if you don't ...

    You will have to go to credit manangement service for 6 months while they try to help you with your inability to manage debt and pay a lot more to file the bankruptcy.

    If during those 6 months you get a job earning more than the state median, you will have to pay back a portion of the debt and get stuck under 5 years of court supervision.

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    The biggest problem is a lot of these people will get whacked with the higher costs of filing bankruptcy, and paying for debt management services they shouldn't really have to.

    The second biggest problem is if the court decides you are paying too much for rent and other expenses, they will write in the figure you should be paying when they determine how much you should pay back.
     
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    I understand there are firefighters newly trained in sexual harrassment to help you with that.
     
  20. IJ Reilly thread starter macrumors P6

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    Thanks. I'll call 911 immediately.
     
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    no, you should call 1-800-666-FEMA
     
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    They've all resigned and taken up model(l)ing.
     
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    i remember hearing something about a mandatory class too.
    "Stop Blaming Hurricanes and Learn to Live within Your Means 101"?

    sounds a bit winded to me.

    BTW Sayhey, how fitting a tune.
     
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    Thank you, but credit should go to Stephen Sondheim, who must have some special insights into the inevitable IJ-skunk digressions from original topics that perhaps they could adopt either
    this or this as theme songs for their witticisms? :D

    Don't get me wrong guys, I love the digressions - it's just that they're on such a lofty level they need musical accompaniment. ;)
     
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    LOL. My attempts at wit generally bring me to this
     

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