NEW iMac w ATI X600 PCI-e & DDR2 RAM woot!

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  1. FFTT macrumors 68030

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    This is a huge and very important update for Apple and everyone who's been waiting for improvements to graphics performance.

    The new ATI X600 series 16X PCI-e card has twice the bandwidth
    of the current X8 AGP cards.

    Adding DDR2 RAM now also gives the new iMac support for up to 2.5GB RAM

    When you add in all the other features in this new configuration
    I have to give my resounding approval.

    The 17" WS model starting at $1199 (edu) with these features is the best bang for the buck ANYONE sells.

    This also gives us a fantastic preview of things to come in the
    PPC "Pipeline"

    Well done!
     
  2. risc macrumors 68030

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    It's nice to see Apple move to PCIe / DDR2 RAM it also means when the Power Mac updates come we can expect something HUGE! I can't wait to see what happens with them when they finally arrive.
     
  3. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

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    Yes, it took a while but they're up to date. The newest iMac actually might play games well, although Doom 3 might still be a reach.
     
  4. Danksi macrumors 68000

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    Does anyone know how many slots the new iMac has, in order to support 2.5Gb?
     
  5. wongulous macrumors 6502a

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    Just 2 ram slots.

    To get 2.5GB, you have to buy a 2GB chip. Which, edu, Apple charges a WHOPPING $1080 for.
     
  6. RobHague macrumors 6502

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    It's a shame that X600 is not powerful enough to actualy make that 'feature' ean much. ;)


    No but im impressed, Apple took everything in the iMac that i was complaining about last month and fixed it beyond my expectations. Had i not got a PowerMac now i would have most likley got this new iMac. Good stuff.
     
  7. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    Some people in the main thread on the new iMac are flinging dung about the new video card but it's better than the last one so where's the problem?

    Overall this is a pretty sweet update - cheaper too.
     
  8. Danksi macrumors 68000

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    OUCH! I assume those 2Gb chips will be available elsewhere then?
     
  9. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

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    Lots of spin , 4 agp isnt saturated nor 8 so why you need more? a X600 is for the most part a 9600 lets not get to excited.
    PPC pipeline is dead thats why Apple threw in all that other stuff. 1.8 to 1.9 and 2.0 to 2.1??? its a nice little tiny bump. Doom3 scores .................
     
  10. ksz macrumors 68000

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    You're mostly right about Doom 3, although it appears playable at 1024x768 (26 fps). Here's a performance comparison on Tom's Hardware.
     
  11. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

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    I paid that much for a 32 MB SIMM, back around 1993. :D Of course, if you go to OtherWorld Computing or even, Crucial, you should find a much better price.
     
  12. plinden macrumors 68040

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    Here's a better one (ok, not to do with Doom3, but you can compare the x600 XT with the 9600 that was in the last rev):
    http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041222/vga_charts-04.html
    http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041004/vga_charts-05.html

    One benchmark, Unreal tournament:
    new 17" iMac GPU - X600 XT 113 fps
    new 20" iMac GPU - X600 Pro 82.9 fps
    9600 XT 103 fps
    9600 Pro 94.8 fps
    old 20" iMac GPU - 9600 65 fps

    That's only one benchmark and all done on PCs, but all show at least a 50% gain for the x600 XT over the 9600.
     
  13. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

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    That sounds like a testimontial for the throughput of PCI-Express, as well as the X600's ability to generate graphics.

    Glad to see such positive updates.
     
  14. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    True about AGP but it doesn't hurt performance to move to PCI-E so it's a non-issue IMHO. Apple has little choice but to switch to PCI-E.

    And anyway the 9600 isn't a bad GPU. I'd prefer to see an X700-series but the X600Pro/XT is still good.
     
  15. ksz macrumors 68000

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    Agreed. Incremental improvements to be sure, but still nice.
     
  16. FFTT thread starter macrumors 68030

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    ATI X600 PCI=e specs

    I'm posting the ATI X600 specs here just so those who don't understand
    the difference can bring themselves up to date a bit.
    http://www.ati.com/products/radeonx600/specs.html

    Specifications

    Radeon X600 Technology Specifications
    World’s first PCI Express®Graphics Chip
    Native x16 lane PCI Express
    Double the bandwidth of AGP 8X
    Increased memory bandwidth to 12 Gigabytes/sec.
    Four extreme parallel 3D rendering pixel pipelines
    Two programmable vertex shader pipelines
    128-bit memory interface supporting 128MB or 256MB DDR1 memory configurations
    Full DirectX® 9 support
    SmartShader™ 2.0
    SmartShader™ defines the level of realism in latest 2D/3D games and applications
    Complete hardware-accelerated Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 programmable vertex and pixel shader support
    Full hardware support for OpenGL® 2.0
    SmoothVision™ 2.1
    SmoothVision™ improves image quality by smoothing jagged edges, improving blurriness and refining background details during on-screen motion and at lower resolutions.
    SmoothVision™ settings are user configurable in ATI Catalyst® Control Panel:
    2x/4x/6x Anti-Aliasing modes
    Sparse multi-sample algorithm with gamma correction, programmable sample patterns, and centroid sampling
    Lossless Color Compression (up to6:1)at all resolutions
    Temporal Anti-Aliasing
    2x/4x/8x/16x Anisotropic Filtering modes
    Up to 128-tap texture filtering
    Adaptive algorithm with bilinear (performance) and trilinear (quality) options
    HYPER Z™ III
    HyperZ™ ensures optimal hardware performance by discarding irrelevant object data that is not visible to end-user on their display.
    Leverages key features from ATI’s third generation HyperZ™ III technology that conserves video memory bandwidth for improved performance in demanding 2D/3D games and applications.
    Lossless Z-Buffer Compression (up to 48:1)
    Fast Z-Buffer Clear
    Z Cache optimized for real-time shadow rendering
    VideoShader™
    Seamless integration of pixel shaders with video in real time
    FullStream™ video de-blocking technology for Real, DivX, and WMV9 formats
    VideoSoap™ noise removal filtering for captured video
    MPEG1/2/4 decode and encode acceleration
    DXVA Support
    Hardware Motion Compensation, iDCT, DCT and color space conversion
    All-format DTV/HDTV decoding
    YPrPb component output for direct drive of HDTV displays†
    Adaptive Per-Pixel De-Interlacing and Frame Rate Conversion (temporal filtering)
    Additional Features
    Dual integrated display controllers
    Dual integrated 10 bit per channel 400 MHz DACs
    Integrated 165 MHz TMDS transmitter (DVI 1.0 compliant / HDMI interoperable and HDCP ready)
    Integrated TV Output support up to 1024x768 resolution
    Windows® Logo Program compliant
    ATI Catalyst® Software Suite
    2D DISPLAY MODES
    Resolutions, colors and maximum refresh rates (Hz) in 256, 65K or 16.7M colors
     
  17. aafuss1 macrumors 68000

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    The mid plane would have been majorly redesigned-for PCI E (U3L with DDR2-plus say Shasta with PCIE support) and for the built in iSight.
     
  18. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

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    It's more about price points and getting rid of the GeForce FX 5200 chipset.

    I've yet to see any AGP 8x theoretical problem but yet, in real life, there seems to be something not quite right.
     
  19. wide macrumors 6502a

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    sorry, this just isn't true.
     
  20. FFTT thread starter macrumors 68030

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    If you consider the hardware features AND all the very usable
    included software applications and the stability and security of OS X

    This IS the best deal for your money.
     
  21. FF_productions macrumors 68030

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    the iMacs are the best deal out there, and have been for a long time...

    Sooo...how about those powermacs??
     
  22. Chrispy macrumors 68020

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    The 17" is such an amazing deal compared to the 20" as well. I ordered a 20" just now :D
     
  23. plastique45 macrumors regular

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    Yeah, they could have gone 1.7-2.0/ 2.0-2.3Ghz...


    The x600 XT (20" iMac) is a great card. 500MHz clock speed and 735MHz memory bandwith for 2gpixel, the 9600 128 has 400mhz and 1.4gpixel.

    For just a few hundred more, it's the model to get.
     
  24. plastique45 macrumors regular

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    They look very updated now. Next week or in 2 weeks max, otherwise their sale will plummet.
     
  25. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    A very good idea, too! The benchmarks I've read (mostly dealing with Halo and UT2K4) seem to show that the 5200 is roughly equal to the 9600 on paper but on the Mac the 9600 does better rendering, and the drivers are simply better all round.

    NVIDIA made a lot of better cards contemporary with the 5200 but for whatever reason Apple never chose to implement any of the other GeForce5xxx cards.
     

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