I recently purchased a PowerMac Dual G4/500 from someone. It came with a fresh install of Panther. Right now, it constantly freezes (with the grey "You need to reboot your computer..." message -- all of the crashes I describe are like this) and is completely unusable.
It came with an ATI Rage 128 card, a 20GB HDD, a DVD-RAM drive, a SCSI card, and 1GB of RAM (in what appear to be four 256MB chips). At least half of the RAM is third-party, after-market. The rest of the components appear to be stock.
I apologize in advance for the length of this, but I think it would be helpful to know what I've tried/done.
Here's the progression of events:
1. Brought PowerMac home. Immediately added a 60GB HDD as a slave, as well as my Airport card from my iBook. Without realizing it, the original 20GB HDD was still set to Cable Select.
2. Turned on system. It had a fresh install of Panther, and booted immediately into the OS without problems. Much faster that my B&W G3/350. OS saw the two partitions on my 60GB secondary drive just fine.
3. Inserted Panther disk (I wanted to redo the install). Prompted to reboot, entered admin password. Immediate crash before the OS even shut down.
4. Powered off and back on, immediate crash.
5. Powered off and back on, holding the "C" command. Booted into the Panther install without a problem. Everything proceeded as usual until the very end of the first disc, at which point the machine crashed.
Break: At this point, I tried several different configurations. I tried:
a. Setting the original HDD to Master.
b. Setting both HDDs to Cable Select.
c. Removing the second HDD, with the original set to CS (as it originally came).
d. Removing the second HDD, with the original set to Master.
e. All of the above, without the Airport card.
f. All of the above, with and without the Airport card, but without the SCSI card.
g. All of the above, with and without the Airport card, without the SCSI card (I don't need it and won't use it, so it's pointless to have), trying different combinations of RAM chips in different banks.
With one RAM chip, only the original HDD set to CS, and without the Airport card, I am able to get Panther to install successfully. However, I still have regular crashes. Sometimes, the crashes occur immediately on power-on. Sometimes, I can boot into the OS just fine and it will crash five minutes to 10 minutes later. I've never seen the OS run for more than 10 minutes (which doesn't mean much, as I've only seen the OS running four times, total, including the very first power-on I did.)
I'm at a loss. I really do think the system worked fine before being sold to me (though I'm not certain.) A co-worker of mine (the Mac tech at the office) says he's heard of stability problems installing and running Panther on some older, slower PowerMac G4 systems (and, in fact, was never able to get it working on his Sawtooth at the office.) I'm also not sure whether the system ran Panther or Jaguar before the person wiped it with Panther to sell to me. I haven't yet tried Jaguar: I'm hesitant to waste the time to when I'd much prefer to be running on Panther.
Again, sorry for the length, but since I'm asking for help I figured people should know what's going on and what I've tried doing. Does anyone have any insight into this? Has anyone seen similar problems -- and been able to solve them? Please, any help that anyone could give would be much appreciated.
Thank you,
Nathan Ladd
It came with an ATI Rage 128 card, a 20GB HDD, a DVD-RAM drive, a SCSI card, and 1GB of RAM (in what appear to be four 256MB chips). At least half of the RAM is third-party, after-market. The rest of the components appear to be stock.
I apologize in advance for the length of this, but I think it would be helpful to know what I've tried/done.
Here's the progression of events:
1. Brought PowerMac home. Immediately added a 60GB HDD as a slave, as well as my Airport card from my iBook. Without realizing it, the original 20GB HDD was still set to Cable Select.
2. Turned on system. It had a fresh install of Panther, and booted immediately into the OS without problems. Much faster that my B&W G3/350. OS saw the two partitions on my 60GB secondary drive just fine.
3. Inserted Panther disk (I wanted to redo the install). Prompted to reboot, entered admin password. Immediate crash before the OS even shut down.
4. Powered off and back on, immediate crash.
5. Powered off and back on, holding the "C" command. Booted into the Panther install without a problem. Everything proceeded as usual until the very end of the first disc, at which point the machine crashed.
Break: At this point, I tried several different configurations. I tried:
a. Setting the original HDD to Master.
b. Setting both HDDs to Cable Select.
c. Removing the second HDD, with the original set to CS (as it originally came).
d. Removing the second HDD, with the original set to Master.
e. All of the above, without the Airport card.
f. All of the above, with and without the Airport card, but without the SCSI card.
g. All of the above, with and without the Airport card, without the SCSI card (I don't need it and won't use it, so it's pointless to have), trying different combinations of RAM chips in different banks.
With one RAM chip, only the original HDD set to CS, and without the Airport card, I am able to get Panther to install successfully. However, I still have regular crashes. Sometimes, the crashes occur immediately on power-on. Sometimes, I can boot into the OS just fine and it will crash five minutes to 10 minutes later. I've never seen the OS run for more than 10 minutes (which doesn't mean much, as I've only seen the OS running four times, total, including the very first power-on I did.)
I'm at a loss. I really do think the system worked fine before being sold to me (though I'm not certain.) A co-worker of mine (the Mac tech at the office) says he's heard of stability problems installing and running Panther on some older, slower PowerMac G4 systems (and, in fact, was never able to get it working on his Sawtooth at the office.) I'm also not sure whether the system ran Panther or Jaguar before the person wiped it with Panther to sell to me. I haven't yet tried Jaguar: I'm hesitant to waste the time to when I'd much prefer to be running on Panther.
Again, sorry for the length, but since I'm asking for help I figured people should know what's going on and what I've tried doing. Does anyone have any insight into this? Has anyone seen similar problems -- and been able to solve them? Please, any help that anyone could give would be much appreciated.
Thank you,
Nathan Ladd