Next generation Windows officially named "Windows Vista"

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    Stella

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    Since I've yet to use a decent microsoft application I doubt whether this next version of windows will be any different.

    A lot of features are a rip off of Mac OS.

    I've always found the windows GUI awkward and frustrating to use.. when File Explorer hangs, the entire desktop hangs ( not apps ) i.e., start bar etc. All linked together. Not particularly good design.. yes I know Dock is linked to the Dashboard - in OSX - which isn't too good either.

    The windows GUI is quirky and inconsistent - which OSX interface is becoming, but not THAT bad yet..

    No version of windows has been particularly secure or stable.
     
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    I dont Mind the name.

    One thing with windows and why i dont like it so much is that it keeps bugging you with messages about whats going on. and as much as i like to know whats going on with my system. Id rather do what I was planning instead of clicking on little popup bubbles saying my system is now again secure or that an update has been installed. or whatever

    windows never seems to leave you alone.
     
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    News is a little slow these days...how come we didn't hear about this a few days ago?
     
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    A virus platform by any other name ...
     
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    Vista means "view," in Italian, they should have called it "Vista Malvagita" or "View of Evil." I'm sure it'll be just another bloaty craptacular windoze version, M$ has about as much chance of creating something compelling of a snail frozen in ice setting a land speed record.
     
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    It's not a name, it's the Surgeon General's warning!

    In a black-box warning, MicroShaft's "new" OS will have to have the following words:

    WARNING: The system contained in this box exposes its users to:

    Viruses,
    Infections,
    Spyware,
    Trojans,
    Adware,

    and should not be used by children, the elderly, pregnant women, men, women or any other mammal with moderate cognitive abilities. Have a nice day!
     
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    If "Vista" is Spanish for "The View"

    Does that mean that the ad campaign from MicroShaft will have Joy Behar, Barbara Walters and other annoyingly chatty women pimping it in Spanish?

    "Ola, computadora! Que pasa? . . ."

    Ugh.
     
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    a valid point considering i submitted this a little after midnight friday morning.
     
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    The Inquirer mention that, and an interesting Sanskrit interpretation :D
     
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    Good one! :)

    I think the name "Vista" sounds good: it is a word in several European languages (Spanish, Italian, French, English, Portuguese, perhaps others?) and has good connotations: they are working on improving graphics (improving the visual experience), Microsoft is "look"ing towards the future, etc.

    Whether it will be these ideas or macFanDave's V.I.S.T.A. that is more accurate, only time will tell.
     
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    I'd like to see someone who's studied Sanskrit verify this.

    The Inquirer spends a paragraph explaining that there are many pronunciations possible and that consonants and vowels don't translate neatly between Sanskrit and other languages. A quick search shows that this interesting tidbit is overwhelmingly if not exclusively being mention in regards to Windows.

    What is their source for this information? They don't say. Their source for Spanish translations is apparently Google Language Tools. Which leads me to think they didn't spend a lot of time verifying this...

    There's a debate going on about this on Slashdot.org. Someone who claims to have studied Sanskrit says:

    "I didn't know Sanskrit was such a popular language. But (deliberate) ignorance is pretty saddening. I'm a Sanskritist.

    First of all, "vista" actually exists in Sanskrit. Citing from Monier Williams Sanskrit-English Dictonary: vista m. (ifc. f. aa) a partic. weight of gold (= 80 Raktikaas or a Karsha of 16 Maashas, about half an ounce troy), Praayashc.

    Also, [...] Sanskrit is a language, Devanagari is a script (as another poster points out). Sanskrit can be transcribed in many scripts. [...]

    I guess the parent poster wanted to be just funny."

    As much as I dislike Windows and Microsoft, I think the article writers at the Inquirer shouldn't make things up or bend a language they know nothing about just to get cheap laughs. If they want to do this, they should change their name to "Enquirer" or clearly indicate they aren't reporting facts.
     
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    Out of the box? No. With a bit of tweaking. My home XP system hasn't been rebooted since January when I installed a 7800 GeForce. XP doesn't crash. Period and if its crashing on you you simply didn't set it up right. I literally spend a week configuring a new system before ghosting it out to a sep partition for easy restore. (It takes me 15 minutes to redo any of my computers. I generally redo them every other year.)

    As for explorer.exe and its quirkyness. Yah. It somewhat sucks but at least MS has learned how to respawn the shell if it blows up. So 90% of the time something hangs on it like a network share you x out of the window. It blows up the GUI and Windows goes "oh damn. Well I guess I will respawn explorer.exe." Small tip if it doesn't. (That other 10% of the time.) Simply hit control-alt-del click on task manager, click on file -> run, type explorer.exe and click OK and you are back. No big deal. The GUI is faster then X's in certain chores. Things like network browsing. I've never seen a beachball or hourglass on Windows NT/2K/XP (9x is a different matter.) because you can X out of the window, blow up the GUI, and it starts over. Instead of sitting there and waiting for the OS to release the window. I like to think of it as managed chaos. I think Armstrong (Or was it Buzz?) called the moon magnificent desolation. The same could be described of Windows.

    As for Windows Explorer. I have not seen anyone use finder in a manner that can keep up with me when it comes to nav around an OS. The address bar in Windows explorer is the single most powerful nav feature that MS has rolled out into its OS. That line is for all intents and purposes a command line with auto fill or more specificly it lists the various files\folders to allow you to browse faster then any point and click option. So I can type C:\pro....the OS lists all the files and folders with pro.....tab tab tab to program files....hit \ the os lists everything and I type Moz..the OS lists everything with moz....tab tab to Mozilla Firefox....hit \ and again the OS lists everything until I profiles and slash [enter] I there. All of 3 seconds...maybe. Its the single most overlooked feature in windows. It even allows you to run command line entries from there.

    As for Vista....*Mornes the loss of being able to use Longshot as a zinger* :( ...shrugs. I'm getting the beta next month if it comes out. The beta was due LAST month. So obviously they are rushing even the beta. I think Vista will be a fine OS....after about 3 service packs and god knows how many bug fixes and compatability patches. Anyone who things Vista is going to be rock solid out of the gate is hopped up on a little to much of MS's happy juice.
     
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    Hasta la vista

    I would really like it if people would be crying out "Hasta la vista Microsoft" and move over to "Hello Apple". Maybe as an advertising slogan for Apple...
     
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    Hmmm well "theoretically" Vista will be running in a user mode type environment similar to how OS X runs. Remember that the reason for at least 60% of windows security problems is that by default users are running in an Admin setting. Vista is again "theoretically" going to change this. But again the system is only as smart as its operator. Spyware\adware should be less of a problem because of MS's built in spyware scanner. The beta software on MS's site is again "theoretically" going to be built into Vista. But on the other hand its still IE....but IE 7.0. So who knows what they are going to change. Still catchy acronym :D
     
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    The Beta was scheduled for "summer 2005" and summer doesn't end until Sept 21st. Internal Beta testing began a while back. They've been removing all the known bugs in the system.
    They've actually given out Beta 1 and later code already, which is how those 5203 screenshots came about. They just haven't released any Beta 1 code to MSDN.

    Officially, those June 30th and July 27th dates were just rumors. Since August of last year, Microsoft has only given two dates for Beta 1;
    "Summer 2005" and now "August 3rd"... they're on track for both of those dates AFAIK.
     
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    Even after tweaking windows is very insecure.

    There are a lot more quirky things about the GUI than I have time to comment on here.. a few:
    - on some Directory selection dialogs you cannot type a path, you have to use the GUI to select the directory you want. This is legacy, but its slow and inefficient
    - IF i type in an incorrect path name in file explorer I get Page not found. I'm not looking for a web page. Integration of IE in to file explorer is a very poor idea.
    - The default settings for Start menu - Program file sub menu obscures the right hand side of the menu menu if you move the move slowly over the Program Files Menu name
    - You go to the start menu to shutdown!!!

    A few examples.... a whole, whole lot more!




     
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    sorry about the delay in updates lately - I'm back in the country, so things should be back to normal. There's been quite a backlog of submissions, so I'm going through as fast as I can.

    I like the acronym for Vista, btw. ;)
     
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    That is possibly the most fake infomercialish presentation I have ever watched and Microsoft sucks at streaming video it had to pause or stop at least 6 times for a minute video.
     
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    Are you talking about save/open etc dialogs? I have no problem typing in the path, and it still lists the choices as well.

    I think this is probably a connection issue. If your bandwidth isn't enough then it'll buffer no matter the format. In my experience, though, wmv's are the smoothest streaming videos.. as much as I hate wmp.
     
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    Stella

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    On some dialogs (at the moment, i can't think of an example, though they are there ), you cannot type, you have to use the GUI to navigate.

     
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    The same could be said of OS X. All GUI's have their flaky behavior. Its just in the case of Mac users they get use to the quirks just as Windows users get use to their quirks.
    As for security. Show me examples of windows being insecure after the following:
    -Install SP2 and the 30 or so other patches there are out there. :rolleyes:
    -Turn off all unnecessary services.
    -Turn off netBIOS.
    -Turn off remote desktop sharing.
    -Turn off Windows Error reporting.
    -Install or enable a firewall. (Tiny Firewall is the best I’ve ever seen. Mine, and the US air force’s of choice.)
    -Install your mail client of preference and download the latest spam filters.
    -Install Norton AV Corp edition
    -Install FireFox
    -Install the Firefox addin popupsmustdie.
    -Install MS spyware scanner (Even though you really don't need it with Firefox.
    -Apply the "secure" security policies templates to the group policy after you tweak it a bit. MS's secure settings are anal and do keep some apps from running. Small tweaks fix this. This is the setting that takes me about three days to configure.
    -Lock down the system's registry with regedit32.exe. You can define user rights to specific registry hives to make it next to impossible for most adware/spyware to even install or if it does its going to sit there like an idiot because it can't do anything with the registry.

    There are about 30 other things I do this is off the top of my head. You can secure Windows. It’s not that hard. It is however time consuming. Hence my argument and the reason I'm getting a Mac. Why spend so much time configuring a system when you can get a Mac that already has that level of security by default. :rolleyes: Ummm sorry preaching to the converted already. :D

    PS- The START thing. Start is to denote you are starting an action. Starting a program, making a change to a printer, etc. So in this case you are starting the shutdown process. Kinda stupid but there is a method to the insanity.
     
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    Stella was happy to show you some examples of Windows quirkiness. You claim Mac OS X has its own, but you give no examples.......

    Further more, how is 'Grandma' who just paid 300 bucks for her new Dell supposed to know how to "Install SP2" and "Turn off unnecessary services"?????? C'mon now. You start saying things like Norton and Remote Desktop Sharing and most novices would just give up right then and there.

    Atleast with the Mac OS, just about anyone can use it and not get frightened. In my opinion.

    Lastly, having to go to 'Start' to shutdown, is silly, just admit it and stop trying to defend it please.

    Thank you.

    - Karl

     
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    You are talking this:

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    and it is a PITA. Yes there is some inconsistency. One of the biggest for me is that the run dialog box doesn't act the same as the address bar in file explorer. So instead of having it list the various items and hitting tab tab, tab to get to what you want and then simply going \ and filling out the rest of the path. When you hit tab it takes you to the OK box. Pisses me off to no end. That box would be very powerful and FAST if they would fix that one thing.
     

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