NOBODY can beat Ford.

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  1. Jon'sLightBulbs macrumors 6502a

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    It's nearly official - the next Mustang Cobra will have the Ford GT engine, likely detuned to only 460 horsepower. :eek:

    http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1799350

    That's a scan of the March, 2005 Motor Trend article. This baby is going to fly. Who's with me in saying that no import manufacturer has been able to produce a car this exciting, ever?

    http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=226768

    They are... and these people own bmw 330i's and M3's!

    p.s. Fuel economy enthusiasts need not respond.
     
  2. iGav macrumors G3

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    That's because you guys didn't get the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ-400 heheh ;)

    I can't believe Ford won't pony up the extra $$$ for developing and installing IRS, a live axle will kill it in the handling stakes... they mght be able to get away with it (just) on the standard Mustangs, but on a Shelby version... with that much BHP, I'm not so sure it'll drive as well as it could do if Ford weren't being so tight about it. :rolleyes:

    I do love the new Mustang :D although I'd want those rear quarter windows behind the B pillars wielded up. ;)
     
  3. Platform macrumors 68030

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    Not to kill the spirit but the Turbo in the MR FQ-400 is too big for the engine to utilize (in 5th grear a FIAT is faster, the turbo takes a while to get spinning :eek: )

    Well since you have mentioned the 330 and the M3 then why not NISSAN SKYLINE R34 GTR ;)
     
  4. russed macrumors 68000

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    i agree with the skyline comment.

    i think ford can be beaten, there are many better cars out there.
     
  5. gwuMACaddict macrumors 68040

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    interesting... i notcied they compare it to the corvette... wont the corvette also have an hp bump by 2007 anyway?
     
  6. KC9AIC macrumors 6502

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    You don't mean March 2005, do you? I recognized that scan as from the most recent edition of Motor Trend, which I read last week.
     
  7. iGav macrumors G3

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    Of course it takes a while to get spinning if you're doing 30 in 5th... :rolleyes: :p That's not at all unusual in such a car off boost, standard Evolutions and Impreza Turbos suffer a similar phenomena.

    The whole idea of having a turbo is to keep it on boost to gain the performance, and that means using the gears not doing lazy arsed driving the 'American' way of letting the torque do the work. ;)

    Now had they done 30-70 through the gears then how would the FIAT have faired? ;) :p
     
  8. Xenious macrumors 6502a

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    Too bad it still has the Mustang body design. ;) hehe Seriously tho that is a beast for performance, I'm just not a fan of any of Ford's body designs.
     
  9. combatcolin macrumors 68020

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    American car companys are very good at making big powerful engines.

    Wringing the very last ounce of power from the engines they make, well Britian and Japan are years ahead.

    I think it because Americans love "Big is Better", and because of this they don't want "more efficant" simply because its not sexy enough.
     
  10. Platform macrumors 68030

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    So true

    They think that the bigger the better but while the other manufactors make a V6 with 400Bhp the americans need a V8 on 5-7 liters to have the same effect :eek:
     
  11. takao macrumors 68040

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    i wonder how long it will take for ford to offer the mustang here ... perhaps another few decades :rolleyes:

    seriously anybody knows why they are keeping the mustang US only ? (except super expensive imports thorugh small companies ? )
     
  12. G4scott macrumors 68020

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    Heh,, I was a bit skeptical when I saw the title of this thread... I mean, I drive a ford (Escort), and I'm a fan of their trucks, but yeah... While Mustangs are somewhat impressive in their own right, there is still stuff our there that is much better...

    Now, being my American self, I'm going to go and buy something with a V-16, because I want to be wasteful, and make sure the whole world knows it. :rolleyes:
     
  13. Xtremehkr macrumors 68000

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    It's still a Ford, no doubt there will be a lot other shortcomings that make it less than what it promises with all of that horsepower.

    Forbes Lists Worst Cars

    You'll notice Ford (or Ford companies) hold 5 of the 10 spots. The highlight? The Lincoln Navigator is 181% more unreliable than the average vehicle. Though if horsepower is all that matters this is probably the car for you.
     
  14. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Yeah let's hope they can keep these from being recalled! It's been a bad year for Ford and recalls.
     
  15. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

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    indeed, Ford definitely will sell a lot of the new mustangs, but that doesnt mean that they will be a kick ass car, people are going to buy them just because they are mustangs, and they think that they will be this ultra cool and fast car, but there are bound to be a lot of other defects with these cars
     
  16. mpw Guest

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    You can’t blame the machine or the mechanic if the car is poorly driven. There’s a reason that stick coming out the floor between the seats is there.

    By a similar rationale no matter how hard or quick I push the pedals in my Bugatti Veyron my 3year old daughter is still quicker to the park on her tricycle. Of course if I start the engine and use the machine properly she’d be looking pretty stupid then wouldn’t she!
     
  17. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    I am completely at a loss to explain why Ford is loath to part with this ancient go-kart live axle. It's scandalous.
     
  18. iGav macrumors G3

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    Puzzles me too... even though the UK auto press has reported that in practice it's not as bad as it sounds, one can't help but think that IRS would have made the Mustang more of a drivers car, than a straightliner like it is now.

    460BHP in a live axle car sounds a little dodgy to me though... :eek:
     
  19. aloofman macrumors 68020

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    Putting Britain in the same category of car-building know-how as Japan is laughable. The only time Britain had a leg up on Japan in building good cars was after World War II when Japan was in ruins. Seriously, South Korea has passed Britain by now in quality.
     
  20. edesignuk Moderator emeritus

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    Not building cars, but designing them, and tweaking them. Formula 1, the most enginered cars in the world, most of the top teams use english designers I believe (I don't have details, maybe iGAV will know more, I just remember from watching an F1 documentry).

    Our car building industry has gone down the ******* in a big way, but we can still do some damn fine engineering...it just end up be built by someone else :rolleyes:
     
  21. russed macrumors 68000

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    in all fairness, the UK has made many better cars than the us has ever made, both in terms of styling and performance.

    in the us their idea of performance is to just put the biggest (most untuned) engine in possible that is lying around.

    just look at some of the cars that aston martin are making and i think that would sweep aside your argument.
     
  22. Xtremehkr macrumors 68000

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    The US has never been accused of making high quality, advanced vehicles. Cheap, powerful ones, yes. Huge, lumbering monstrosities, yes. The basic formula has been to be somewhat good looking and have oodles of power, and a soft ride while being really cheap. Apart from that, all other advances have come through legislation and having to compete.

    The sad thing is that this formula is starting to fail misberably and they are not adjusting to try and compete with the Japanese manufacturers. Toyota overtook Ford last year and is poised to take the number one spot from GM. Toyota is worth more than GM, Ford and Chrysler combined.

    The Economist

    May not work cause the economist charges viewing fees.
     
  23. aloofman macrumors 68020

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    I didn't say the U.S. industry was doing any better, only that Japan and Britain don't belong in the same sentence. Lexus and Infiniti make better cars than Aston Martin at a lower price. Every British car that makes it to our shores is overpriced and unreliable compared to Japanese cars. Every owner of a British car I've ever known complains a lot about how often it's in the shop, which is why they don't sell many here. As edesignuk pointed out, it's not because there's a lack of engineering talent there (nor is there a lack in the U.S., for that matter), they just don't compete well in the global car market. The British makes that are left mainly exist on their name brand and are owned by foreign companies.

    Believe me, I don't have many good things to say about American carmakers either!
     
  24. combatcolin macrumors 68020

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    Are you stupid or just cannot read? :rolleyes:

    Where did i mention UK car makers? :rolleyes:

    And while we no longer have any of our own companys left there is a HUGE pool of UK based Automobile talent and experience comparable to anywhere in the world.

    Just a pity the workforce and the management didn't get on in the 70's, as we would have still been a world player now.
     
  25. quagmire macrumors 603

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    Sorry, the new 2006 Corvette Z06 with the LS7 engine kills the Mustang, Viper, and the new BMW M5 according to claims though. The new LS7 7 liter V8 engine pumps out 500 horses. 0-60 in less then 4 seconds( claimed though). Beats the 4 seconds flat viper and the new BMW M5. I would still take the 400 HP C6 corvette with the LS2 engine over any mustang. I bet the mustang has pityful Fuel economy. Corvette is 18/26. That is ok for a V8. Heck, I would take the C5 corvette over the new mustang. But, I have to give credit to Ford with their great commercials though! The superbowl one was awesome.
     

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