All I have to say is wow! Ok I have been reading the forums because my roommate wants a Mac, and I have been telling him that he should get an x86. Well I came to this posting and decided to read it. And well, WOW. I would like to say that if you dont know jack about computers dont spew the lies from your mouth based on your stupidity. I realize that I will get a lot of flames for this but I don't care because I feel that the truth must be said. First off, DDR-2 533 is in no way shape or form pc4200. Now to 64 bit, I love how the Apple people (you know who you are) were saying that the g4 was a 64 bit proc, based of something on the proc that was 64 bits wide. I know you will all deny it now but whatever. ---- This is off the Mac site from a year ago, made me laugh so hard! "The fewer the steps, the shorter and more efficient the pipeline. Thanks to its efficient 7-stage design (versus 20 stages for the Pentium 4 processor) the G4 processor can accomplish a task with 13 fewer steps than the PC. You do the math." Dont get it? Hah Apple doesnt seem to understand how a processor works and that all 20 stages are doing work at any given time, and that means MORE work is getting done with the P4. When will Apple learn not to LIE to people about there computers? I will agree with you guys that OS X is a good operating system, but I dont think ill ever change from my Linux/windows system. Speaking about OS X, wouldnt it be nice if it was a 64 bit OS X? LMAO, note "64 bit extensions" does not mean that it is a 64 bit OS. Hence whey it can only utilize 8GB of ram, where as in an Opteron system you can use as much as you can physically put into it. ---- More Misinformation "What makes a supercomputer super is its ability to execute at least one billion floating-point operations per second, a staggering measure of speed." "The PowerPC G4 won renown as the first supercomputer on a chip, with a sustained performance of over one gigaflop. And it only gets better. The new Power Mac G4 desktop system with the dual 1.25GHz PowerPC G4 processor configuration hits speeds of over 18 gigaflops." Yeah and well an AMD k6-2 did 3 gigaflops, and an INTEL 3.06 does 18, whats your point? ---- Oh yeah how about this one. The G5 is the worlds fastest personal computer and the first with 64-bit processor Wonder why you wont find that on there site anymore. http://spl.haxial.com/apple-powermac-G5/ Go there if you havent already. Now onto the topic at hand. G5 revisions. I fully understand how Apple will update on even numbers and going by that the fastest g5 to be released in January could be a 2.6 GHz model Posted From sunnrunner Is it just me or does it seem like the IBM chip development pipeline is lighyears ahead of Motorola when it comes to speed of development and manufacture, (not to mention chip technology). Moto almost killed the Mac, it just wasn't a priority for them. IBM, on the other hand, is set to make Macs the fastest thing on a desktop once again Why would IBM make Apple the fastest thing on the desktop? Think for a second for me. IBM sells Intel computers and AMD computers, right? Ok, if IBM was to offer apple as the fastest desktop IBM would cut its profits. Nay, IBM doesnt want Apple to be the fastest; they only want Apple to hang in the game. As far as the speed bumps and Apple to make it to 3.0 GHz. I dont believe that the current chip design will scale as fast as apple wants it to. The 16 stage pipeline of the G5 at 90 nanometers with SOI sauce and IBMs processor technology means that they will need to do maybe 2 more revisions to the chip to get there. Assuming that they have no problems with those revisions they will make it. However I dont think they will, because IBM has NEVER manufactured a chip at over 2 GHz and the pure heat of the chip will be a furnace! Assuming that the calculations of 70 W @ 2.5 GHz. At 3 GHz that would mean about 95 W !@!@!@!@! If you think that that computer will be quiet you must live in a vacuum. Of course I understand that with future revisions they WILL be able to get that number down, but by how much? I understand that Intel is also having a problem with there 90 nm tech, but you have to understand that they dont not use SOI. And they are at 3.2 3.6 GHz. For a more near clock for clock basis for comparing IBMs process technology, compare AMD. AMD expects around 30 40 W when they move to 90 nm @ around 2.6 2.8 GHz. AMD also clock for clock is faster than the G5. Im sorry guys but I hardly think Steves dreams of 3 GHz by the end of summer are reasonable, but they are possible. Please if you respond to my post, post intelligent information and not just Apple Propaganda. I tried as had as I could to see both sides of the equation equally and I hope that you can as well. --- sorry I, belive that the formating got messed up.