OH CR@P!

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by stubeeef, Apr 12, 2005.

  1. stubeeef macrumors 68030

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    LINK!

    This is the kind of stuff that gives me the chills. I swear, if the US and the rest of the world don't take this as a red flag, and destroy the bio weapons labs, we are going to be living (dying) the book The Stand .

     
  2. Sutekidane macrumors 6502a

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    ooooh, The Stand, I really liked that book, and I LOVED the movie.. All 6 hours of it.
     
  3. mad jew Moderator emeritus

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    That's one of the scariest things I've read all day (and it's midday over here in Australia already!) :eek:

    It's kinda crudely Darwinian though for us to wipe out millions thanks to our own stupidity/ignorance...
     
  4. tpjunkie macrumors 65816

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    When i was reading that article, I was wondering if in 20 years i'll think back and go "and thats how it all began..."
     
  5. Les Kern macrumors 68040

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    I've been saying for 30 years that it won't be the bomb that does us in, but the bug. Mis-use of antibiotics, the current Marburg scare, HIV that's resistant to everything and continuing to mutate, necrotizing fascitis popping up OUTSIDE hospitals, prions.... The list goes on... and we may not.
     
  6. Mechcozmo macrumors 603

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    I agree here. My dad (surgeon) has to deal with people truly needing antibiotics but they are often not as effective or ineffective because people now pop a pill if they feel even just a bit funny.

    Not good. :(
     
  7. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    Yeah, a disease is worse than a bomb. Explosions don't spread across wide areas.....not more so than disease. Disease can spread around the world in 2 or 3 days.
     
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  9. stubeeef thread starter macrumors 68030

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    I am thinking that something between Twelve Monkeys and The Stand is just trying to happen. This frieghtens me to a large degree, mostly because it enfringes on my concept of HOPE. luckily Psalm 27 verse one and two comfort me.
    It is difficult to raise 3 kids with cr@ppy scenarios like this in my thoughts.
     
  10. stubeeef thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Hands down my favorite book of fiction!

    Classic battle of good vs evil, in an apocalyptic scenario.
     
  11. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    Makes you wonder what they were thinking....damn, no one born after 1957 would have immunity if it got out, that would be billions...and then all the older people would survive...what a strange world that would be...bleh.

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    Symantec can spread all the virusses they want, we are immune!


    sry :eek:
     
  15. MongoTheGeek macrumors 68040

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    Bah. That epidemic wasn't all that fatal the first time it went around and ABOSULTELY noone had immunity as opposed to now when half the population does.

    Add into that general improvements in health care and treatments will cut any pandemic significantly. Zinc pills, anti-virals such as theraflu. Add into that the fact that modern society with its economic excesses allows for people to take sick leave. The days of the great plagues are over. Now is the age for slow killers.

    If I am wrong, everyone can come laugh at my grave.
     
  16. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    I realize that, it just made me think if it got really bad or it was somehow mutated so that all the breeding individuals happened to die.....

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  17. stubeeef thread starter macrumors 68030

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    I see this more as a red flag, one that says, fix things now or else. Why we still have and save samples of bio weapons slays me. Do this stuff in the space station, but keep it off the planet.
    I am fearful of the avian flu, a couple of good mutations and watch the frick out.
    I am 1000x more worried about bio/chem terrorist attacks than nuke ones. Maybe because of my lack of knowlege, or maybe if I knew more, I would be more worried.
    For an organization to mail out 3700 containers of killer flu, is beyond me.
     
  18. aloofman macrumors 68020

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    The first half of the book was really excellent, but the last couple hundred pages were just stupid. I didn't watch the miniseries, but I hear the ending had the same flaws as the book.
     
  19. Don't panic macrumors 603

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    a few million people seems fairly fatal to me.
    however i agree that the risks in this are overblown, in part for the reasons you mentioned, in part because this stuff was sent to labs who are used to deal with contagious samples and know what to do with them.
    still, pretty dum mistake.
    especially the one they sent to Spiderhole#5, Kirkuk, IQ
     
  20. stubeeef thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Of course you're not nervous, you're "Don't panic".
     
  21. fox2005 macrumors member

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    Where should we look for your local obituarys? I'll be looking forward to it...
     
  22. wdlove macrumors P6

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    AS mentioned by Mechcozmo, the problem is the over use of antibiotics for years. Patients have become accustomed to going to a physician, they think they haven't got proper care without getting an antibiotic. Patients actually get angry. The other problem is the patients don't finish their prescription. After they start feeling better they stop taking the mediation. Antibiotics are usually prescribed of 7 - 14 days. When its stopped early it allows the reaming bacteria to replicate. They are the ones that have changed genetically. That is how antibiotic resistant strains are formed. Methcillin resistant strains have become too common. This is of great concern to physicians.
     
  23. Drgnhntr macrumors regular

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    Viruses like this are kept around to try and develope vaccines, cures, etc. I don't know why they need to mail around 3000 samples of it, but there are uses to keep them around.

    Bugs like these don't make very good bioweapons, they spread too easily. Bugs don't care about borders, nationality, or the religion of the person they infect. There are very few protections from it backfiring.
     
  24. Mechcozmo macrumors 603

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    Exactly... people think they deserve something to swallow along with the fact that they then don't swallow all of it. :mad: Damn lawyers...

    "Sir, you don't need antibiotics. Just rest and fluids."
    "I'm not so sure... I'm calling my lawyer-- I don't think you know what you're doing!"

    Right.... 10 years of med school for what again? :mad: :mad:
     
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    This is true, this isn't a really nasty virus, as they come. And with today's medicine, I'm willing to bet the fatality count would be very low in developed countries. But I also agree that it's a good reminder of why we need to be careful with viral research, I don't know if I can say it should be ended, because it's a very powerful tool for medicine... they're talking about designer viruses that could destroy AIDS or cancer... the weapons uses generally come as offshoots of this research. But I'm sure the government does have a bunch of whitecoats playing around in basements with stuff I don't want to think about... and that should stop. never will tho...
     

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