Oh Numediaman where art thou?

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  1. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    OK, this is a seriously unsubstantial thread topic...but I miss Numediamans' contributions to this forum...any chance he may return? Did he leave b/c of Sly? I have not been on these forums (political) for that long, do we lose alot of good contributors over time? Do they have a record of coming back? I guess the point is, that I felt Numedia strengthened the calibre of discussion here, and am feeling a little nostalgic...comment as you will...thanks.
     
  2. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    he's left once and come back. i sent him a PM that sly was booted, but that was in that short, quiet, lovely time period before "Voron" -- or whatever sly's called it -- appeared.
     
  3. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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  4. blackfox thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I thought as much IJ, ...but was the ignore feature not enough? I mean, can you really take Sly/Voltron that seriously? I find him kinda funny, and occasionally he has a valid point...but I do not want to discuss Sly as much as ponder the possibility of Numediamans' return...
     
  5. skunk macrumors G4

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    :D
     
  6. numediaman macrumors 6502a

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    Wow, a thread with my "name" on it that doesn't include "jerk" or "lefty". Thanks.

    Well, I'm around. My first priority, though, is learning when I might expect the new G5s to be announced. So I check in occasionally in the Mac sections.

    So, why don't I post anymore? Well, two reasons . . .

    One: how do you define a "liberal"? A liberal can look a Nazi in the face and say "bet he was a cute kid." (In other words, if I called "you know who" a fascist I'd be banned. I'm gone, but the crazy is allowed to stay and argue the value of atrocities.)

    Two: the problem with politics in America right now is that the extreme (and I mean "extreme") right wing so dominate American political thought that things like "forced sterilization", "torture" and the like are now things we can "discuss".

    I don't want to discuss them. I thought American stood for ideals that were not negotiable. We can discuss the merits of the tax code and even the war -- but if we start discussing whether torture is OK, or whether we can have forced sterilization, then we have lost our country.

    In the end, I am flattered that anyone would be interested in what I post. But, as you know, forums are very addicting -- and no one seems to what to pay me to hang out at Macrumors (too bad).

    Also, I have a short fuse. I get pissed off at right wing crazies easily. I tried, however, to stay involved by sending Zim a couple of story ideas -- but he is still pissed off because he had to cancel the BBQ. (Forgive him, he still thinks Dusty Baker can bring Chicago a championship.)

    Which brings us to Sayhey (who knows Dusty can't): I almost sent him an idea for a post, something involving why these tortures might actually be taking place. I like to visualize Sayhey sitting on a balcony overlooking the Bay, a glass of Zinfandel in one hand, and a copy of the Guardian in another, saying "who cares what you say, buddy". I'm crazy that way.

    Well, if I can, I'll contribute a story now and then. But I won't argue with Sly anymore. My father was wounded in WWII fighting fascism -- he'd roll over in his grave knowing we're fighting it again -- only this time in America.
     
  7. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    ha! i'm not a cubs fan, thank you.

    my secret plan, by not posting any of the items you sent me, was to draw you back in by having to post them yourself. so far, it's not worked. but now that you know it, you're _sure_ to fall for it!
     
  8. blackfox thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Once again, you validated the point of me beginning this thread...and I do see you posting around the rest of the forums, although for the most part, I don't post there as much any more, as they tend to get repetetive...I am also eyeing the possibility of a G5 iMac or some such thing...anyhow, I would think that it is only a matter of time before Sly/Voltron crosses a line again, so I suppose we shall see you in the future...thanks for responding, mate...
     
  9. Sayhey macrumors 68000

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    numedia,

    I'm with you. There are not enough minutes left in the world to argue with fascists. People who argue for forced sterilization, genocide, and torture are exactly that and get no more of my time. I encourage everyone else to use the "ignore" feature to shun such posters. Not that I don't like arguing with right-wingers and conservatives. Hell, I spent an awful lot of time with macfan. There are limits, however.

    As to the wine and the Guardian. The only thing wrong with the picture is I like a Napa Valley Cabernet more than the Zinfandel. Make it back here some time and I'll treat you to a glass. Heck, we will get IJ up here and taunt his beloved Bums over a bottle. And yes, Dusty will blow it at the most crucial moment, even if zim isn't a fan.
     
  10. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    I heard that! (Sorry, you don't get the bragging rights this season!)
     
  11. Rower_CPU Moderator emeritus

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    There's something that's being lost in this, I fear: the forum rules.

    As far as I've seen them implemented, and in the interest of fairness, we (the moderators) can't moderate an opinion. People are entitled to believe what they want and express that. The MAJOR CAVEAT is when the expression of such opinions are framed such that they become trolling/flaming/insults/etc.

    We do the best that we can here, and though we may find opinions contradictory to our beliefs and even distasteful, we're not going to censor them. Someone who argues that PCs are better than Macs is just as welcome here as anyone else, provided the follow the rules; the same goes for pro-Mac posters. Likewise, political views aren't censored.

    If someone crosses the lines laid out in the rules, then we can act. We appreciate the input from members of the board, and reporting troublesome posters helps us do our job - plus it helps to raise the level of discourse in the forum.

    My 2¢ :)
     
  12. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Understood, and I'll always prefer the judicious use of the ignore feature to dumping somebody overboard, even if I find their posts to be repugnant or just plain useless. Still, I've never seen a good working definition of "trolling." It may be like pornography -- we know it when we see it, but my own personal definition of a troll is someone who seems to post strictly or at least mainly to get a rise out of others.
     
  13. Sayhey macrumors 68000

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    It's still early, IJ. Although I must admit it is not looking good. Wait until Barry and Nen are healthy - then we will see!

    Rower, I don't think anyone was trying to take the mods to task. I don't advocate censorship. Doesn't mean we have to participate in arguments over insane topics or with people who continually raise them. That's what the "ignore list" is there for, right? Anyway, the mods aren't responsible for people's opinions - no matter how far fetched.
     
  14. blackfox thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I certainly did not mean to imply anything about the quality of moderation...and I do not support censorship as rule. I just was lamenting that I miss a contributer as the result of inreconcilable opinion differences, and wondering if he might return. I admit, I do believe some disrupt more than contribute w/in this forum, but that IMO, and if rules are not broken, then that is all it will remain. Thankyou for the reminder, Rower...
     
  15. skunk macrumors G4

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    Or censorship? :rolleyes:
     
  16. blackfox thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Ok, it is quite funny...quite the ironical slip up...oops...
     
  17. Krizoitz macrumors 6502a

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    I'm sorry if you disagree but this is the arrogant attitude that frustrates me about the left wing. It frustrates me about the right wing too, but they get called on it far more often.

    I won't disagree that the torture thing is completely and utterly wrong, I don't think there is a valid argument against that, but your claim about forced sterilization, IMO, is way off base. If you are refering to the ONE thread in particular where this was kinda touched on, I think you are taking a single specific incident in which sterlization was an option and painting a rather broad, sweeping, and over-dramatic picture of it.

    Now I am one of the first ones to call out SlyHunter/Voltron on his unsubtantiated claims (you can check the posts), but that doesn't mean that all his claims are wrong and yours are right.

    You, of course, have every right not to participate in the forums. You have every right not to discuss an issue. etc, etc, etc. But to claim that we have lost America and then to dismiss any opinion you don't agree with as being completely not worth discussing at all, well I think thats equal losing what America stands for.

    If you trully want this to be a better country then stand up for what you believe, but if you aren't willing to even acknowledge other peoples views then why should they acknowledge yours? I could give examples of what the right feels are the destruction of America and what the left feels but that would start arguments about those issues so I won't.

    The problem isn't just the extreme right, its the extreme left too. People on both sides are so sure that they are right and the other is wrong that neither one will even entertain the idea of possibly listening. THAT is the biggest tragedy of all. Two sides who are so full of themselves and their own self-rightesnous. Its like to spoiled kids fighting.
     
  18. Sayhey macrumors 68000

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    Now you will have to be a little more clear in your response, please. Are you arguing that forced sterilization wasn't argued for by Sly/Voltron? Or are you saying forced sterilization is an option to be considered?
     
  19. takao macrumors 68040

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    'extreme left in the USA'... must... resist... to... grin...

    you know the austria FPÖ (the jörg haider party) ? their party programm is pretty similiar to the program of the republicans in the US ...
    iguess that says much about both parties

    yeah and jaques chirac is a conservative politician...

    if i were american, i would want another 3-4 parties...so many people and only 2 opinions ?
     
  20. Rower_CPU Moderator emeritus

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    That's about where I stand with trolling, too - we can toss around dictionary definitions to our heart's content, but it comes down to how it looks in practice. That's where drawing the line between being contradictory and intentionally combative gets fuzzy - sort of like Monty Python's "argument sketch". ;)

    I also wanted to address numediaman's statement that "those who call them out are considered out of line" - I don't believe I said any such thing and I apologize if that's how you took anything I said in previous posts where I explained the censorship issue.
     
  21. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    I came here for an argument. Does that make me a troll? :D
     
  22. numediaman macrumors 6502a

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    Just for the record, I have never responded to a post from the moderator -- so please understand, I am neither out to get anyone banned (even Sly), or worried about the rules for the forum. It is totally up to the moderator to determine these things (and by the way, the moderators here do a great job -- no complaints from me).

    I think it is a little embarrassing for there to be a thread with my "name" on it -- so I think we should close this thread and move on.

    I'll contribute when I can -- but I am definitely through responding to those who advocate violating human rights.

    What I really want to see, though, is Steve Jobs introducing a new 3.0GHz G5 so that I am forced to spend hours upgrading my system and finding myself with absolutely no time free to spend in a forum (no offensive intended).
     
  23. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    I think you've got the right attitude on all counts. I'll admit to investing time in this forum that I could be wasting, er, spending in a more productive fashion.
     
  24. Rower_CPU Moderator emeritus

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    Fair enough, numediaman - let's all get back to the G5 watch. :)
     
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