Pages 5: A List of What's Missing, Added, & Changed

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  1. Jodeo, Oct 24, 2013
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2013

    macrumors member


    Sep 12, 2003
    Middle Tennessee
    There's a lot of dismay over Pages 5 and its loss of features. It's being captured rather well in this Apple forum:

    As of the time of this posting, page 15 in the thread above has a current list of adds and take-aways (with an annoying strike-through on the removed features). I'll post it here for your consideration (alphabetized, no less).

    Keep in mind this is written by users. I haven't seen Pages 5 yet so I'm just passing this along for review and comment:

    Updated Check List (as of Oct 24, 7:23AM):
    New Pages 5 added, removed or altered features:

    Phonetic Guide for Chinese & Japanese
    Right to Left text
    Share outside iCloud
    Single model templates. No More Word Processing/Layout templates
    Template names can be changed inside the Template Chooser
    Text language is detected automatically

    135 templates
    Accented Characters in Footer
    Alignment Guides
    Background Object selectable
    Bookmarks and Links
    Bullet points in comments
    Capture pages/sections
    Character Styles (?)
    Import of older .pages formatting - Not Clean
    Customizable Toolbar
    Default Start Up page
    Delete page
    Drag and Drop VCards
    Drag reorganize pages
    Duplicate pages
    Export to .txt or .rtf
    Facing pages
    Find & Replace special characters (e.g. paragraph returns)
    Images within Tables
    Import Styles
    Insert File Name
    Layout Breaks
    Layout Margins
    List Styles (?)
    Mail Merge
    Manage Pages
    Mask with shapes other than rectangle
    Mathtype/Grapher Equations/Formulae within Pages
    Media Inspector links to Aperture Library
    Media Inspector links to iPhoto library on external drive
    Merge Fields
    Multiple Comments view
    Open Type features
    Outline view
    Paste and keep style
    Retain zoom level of document
    Search comments
    Search in Media Browser
    Search Sidebar
    Select all instances of a Style
    Select non-contiguous text
    Selective formatting in Character Styles
    Style Function key shortcuts
    Styles Drawer
    Subscript/superscript buttons
    T.O.C. clean numbering
    Tables in Headers/Footers
    Tables to Text
    Text to Tables
    Textbox linking
    Two-up view
    User Guide (?)
    Vertical Ruler
    Word (.DOCX) export to iCloud

    AppleScript Library for Pages 5 has changed with many classes and commands removed which indicates how the feature lists have been slashed
    Character Styles are in the Text Inspector under Bold, Italic etc
    Documents reconverted back to Pages '09 lose all template information
    Drag and Drop text only works with .txt files now
    Header appears to be multi-column
    Language set moved to Edit > Spelling and Grammar > Show Spelling and Grammar now document wide
    New file format/architecture (but still .pages in name?) not backwardly compatible
    Page numbering method changed
    Pages '09 files previewed on iPad via iCloud are irrevocably converted
    Subscript/superscript text is now a convoluted route Gear > Advanced options > Baseline > Subscript/Superscript
    Tabbing within Table cells appears to be inconsistent, tabbing internally with numbers.
    Template file storage location moved …somewhere?
    Update is missing for older installations (Apple is reportedly working on a solution via a redeemable code or update on their Support Download site)
    Wrap methods have been cut back severely
  2. macrumors member

    Jul 5, 2010
    The ability to enable Auto-capitalisation feature is also missing from the latest version.

    Much to my disappointment!
  3. macrumors 65816


    Sep 20, 2008
    Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
    Add this to the removed feature list: Multiple text selection with command key.

    I have no idea how Apple approved this crap. :mad:
  4. macrumors 68000


    Aug 18, 2008
    At the bend in the river

    This is insane. They have to bring some of this stuff back eventually. Hopefully not four years from now... Right?
  5. macrumors 6502a

    Old Muley

    Jan 6, 2009
    Titletown USA

    So what you're saying is I got my monies worth?
  6. macrumors newbie

    Dec 15, 2008
    Santa Rosa, CA
    Just like iMovie and Final Cut

    Ya, I'm sure there are going to be a ton of missing features, but they will bring them back overtime as long as we the consumer demand it. Then when they do bring back the big ticket features Apple will make a big deal about it and show it off as the next best thing even though it was the best thing already.
  7. macrumors G3

    Jul 23, 2002
    Sol III - Terra
    I suggest you all provide feedback to Apple.
    • Do describe the issues in detail.
    • If appropriate say why it's a step backwards and how it affects you you.
    • If appropriate suggest how they can fix the issue.
  8. macrumors demi-god


    Jul 8, 2011
    I wonder why Apple left behind the old version of iWorks? I think we all have an idea. The new version is to stripped down to work with anything but the basics.

    I for one am very thankful that Apple did.

    I know some will say you just have to get use to it and I agree. I like upgrades and can usually find a way to work with them and learn them pretty quick. But I have been trying all day to work with iWorks and it is very hard.
  9. macrumors 6502


    Sep 26, 2013
    I use pages everyday for note taking, etc. I was astonished of what disappeared! I also found that while trying to bold, italicize and underline words, it would never work. I'm rather disappointed with the new updates..I really am.
  10. macrumors 6502


    Feb 7, 2003
    The Great White, Albeit Frozen North
    I'm definitely not missing all of those things. One thing I use all the time and just used it was the Media to Aperture and iPhoto libraries on an external drive. The outline view is right next to the Views...

    I think this is a big over reaction... Yes, there are changes, but they didn't get rid of all the items on that massive list... Maybe the moved, but in less than a minute, I found 3 things on that list.

  11. macrumors member


    Jan 14, 2009
    Devon, UK.
    I updated the other day and was absolutely shocked at the regression.

    I'm sure that for people who only use Pages for the occasional Letter, CV or Flyer, they will love the simpler layout. But if you use Pages frequently for long documents it's a huge, huge step backwards.

    The first thing I noticed was text box linking has gone. That's a big one for me. That certainly will make revising long documents interesting. I found that grouping text boxes allows text overflow, but then discovered that it doesn't work over one page to another. So that's no good at all, back to square one.

    I've restored Pages '09 from timemachine and have the two running side by side, the things that are no longer possible in the new version is absurd.

    Eddie Cue said that they started Pages again from the ground up. Well it looks like they just took the iOS version and ported to the desktop for the sake of compatibility. Well what's the point of compatibility when you are running with the limitations of an iPhone app on your desktop and have lost all the functionality of the full desktop version?

    Awful decision by Apple.
  12. macrumors 68000


    Aug 18, 2008
    At the bend in the river
    What about remote for keynote? Does that still work?
  13. macrumors 68030


    Sep 3, 2011
    Increasing and decreasing the intention level of a list item no longer affects items indented under it. This is something I found to great benefit when note taking, and so am naturally quite upset that it was removed!
  14. macrumors member

    May 20, 2013
    I am feeling quite lucky.....for some reason the update ignored my existing iWorks.. which were in a folder rather than listed alphabetically in the app folder. So they are still the old versions, And I now have the new versions on the apps list.
  15. macrumors 603

    Sep 19, 2003
    That's normal, it doesn't delete them.
  16. macrumors 68030


    Sep 3, 2011
    Did not notice that until you pointed it out. I'll have to copy-paste my documents into the old format, but I'm going back to the old version!
  17. macrumors member

    Oct 24, 2013
    Man...I'm hoping Apple has some big updates planned..,
  18. halledise, Oct 24, 2013
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2013

    macrumors 65816

    May 7, 2009
    Hamilton Island, Whitsundays, QLD Australia
  19. macrumors newbie

    Sep 9, 2008

    I can't tell it loud enough, what a mess!
    The new pages stinks! not being able to see multiple pages of one document, and deleting (for NO GOOD RESON) comments is bothering me the most. If you export back to pages 09 the tab's and spaces are ruined. Thanks for ruining my day apple!
  20. macrumors newbie

    Sep 18, 2013
    one more thing...

    And there is one more thing...

    When you try to delete one character (doesn't matter what it is - slash, dot, column) which is followed by a space, you get both (character+space) deleted, so you have to type the space again. What a wonderfull timesaving feature... :mad:
  21. macrumors 68000

    Mar 13, 2006
    ive been getting blasted for long time on here for saying apple dosent care at all about these apps.

    they finally get to releasing a new version and i see and hear nothing but negative comments
  22. macrumors 6502a


    Nov 15, 2012
    This is the FCPX and IOS7 debacle all over again. :(
    I'm afraid of what they might do to OSX next year..
  23. macrumors regular

    Feb 26, 2011
    Why can't you duplicate a page anymore in Pages??? :mad:
    It's driving me mad!

    It's still possible in Keynote, it's still possible in Numbers, but why oh why can't you do it anymore in Pages. When you let Pages show page miniatures you can't call a menu anymore using right click or cmd+click. You can't even cmd+c cmd+v anymore while the page is selected!

    This is very annoying when you want to make presentation papers or compilations, since I want to keep the layout.

    Maybe someone knows how to duplicate a page in a document? Please??
  24. macrumors newbie

    Aug 1, 2006
    Pages Mac iPad

    Yes, indeed to all the above comments. Very disappointing.
    BUT -- worth mentioning the big plus of the new iWorks, namely: compatibility between iPad and Mac. I previously stopped using my iPad as a vehicle for serious work because things I did on my Mac in Pages and Keynote wouldn't come out the same on iPad, making it fairly worthless for portability.

    So for now, the advantages of stripped-down compatibility outweigh, for me, the loss of some features. I'll still use iWork 09 for some specialty tasks -- especially Page Layout mode, but will confine that work to my desktop Mac. Otherwise I'll use the new version - and hope Apple adds features back in, as in Final Cut X.
  25. macrumors 68040

    Jun 20, 2007
    So it seems Apple learned NOTHING from the launch of Final Cut Pro X. They once again abandoned professional features in an app many people use and rely on.

    I mean come on, the app is CALLED PAGES, and you can't even rearrange or duplicate PAGES!!!!

    Not to mention all the other great things scarified in the name of iOS.

    VERY VERY disappointing. And there was no way to use both versions because the new file structure is automatically detected and updates the old files which renders them unusable in the old documents once they are opened.

    As others have said....OS X is coming up soon on the chopping block (as we all know Mavericks was just a refined version of Mountain Lion...a good one albeit)...but I am getting concerned.

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