Pain Killers....

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  1. iGary Guest

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    As many of you know, I have a couple of blown out discs in my back (fear not, I see the neuro surgeon on Tuesday next week), but the current pain killers I use (Vicodin 5/500) just send me into outer space.

    Does anyone here deal with a chronic pain problem that can recommend a less "into the stratosphere" pain killer?

    I don't use them that often (afraid of addiction), but if I have to, I'm basically out for a day. Can't work or anything.

    Thanks!
     
  2. katie ta achoo macrumors G3

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    When I was having crazy chest pain (still undiagnosed! boo!!) they put me on 9 pills of ibuprofen a day. (3 pills 3x a day) It worked.. but.. IT KILLS YOUR LIVER IF YOU DO IT FOR TOO LONG.

    Have you thought of maybe taking half a vicodin? Maybe Tyenol 3 would be better.. It has codiene. I took it for my kidney stones, and let me tell ya...

    I couldn't feel them over my drug induced haze.
    Maybe you'd get some real trippy graphics done while you're on it. :)

    Heal quickly! :D
     
  3. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    I had to take Vicodin for a bit last year. Yikes, no thanks -- worked a little too well. I tried taking halves, which was just about as good for relieving pain as a whole pill (for me), but without the narcotic side-effects.

    Big doses of ibuprofen really only work to kill inflammations. I don't think they're very good for chronic pain.
     
  4. iBlue macrumors Core

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    oh yeah, all sorts of wonky stuff happens to me, I feel like a painkiller connoisseur, unfortunately.

    boy I WISH 5/500 hydrocodone would help me, I guess at least consider yourself lucky it works, (not that I am trying to be a jackass about it, just looking at the bright side) because doctors have a fit when you want stronger meds. they do make a vareity of hydrocodone strengths (I take "Norco" 10/325 - the 10 is the opiate painkiller, the other/ is basically tylenol)

    I would just try taking it with food if it makes you feel funny. pop a few ibuprofens and see if that helps too, depends on what kind of pain (you had back surgery right? don't know if you had it or not yet) I'm stunned at your pain tolerance all things considered actually.

    I wish you good luck, this can't be easy for you :(
     
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    Smart man... Vicodin is extremely addictive. That being said, perhaps I should get rid of some of yours for you. :D Ok on a serious note, I really like Aleve. It's a tiny pill, it is not aspirin based and it's not ibuprofen its... um, na-, na- naproxene? Something like that. I have chronic knee and back pain and tylenol and advil don't do anything for me, but one aleve and my knee aches are history. Oooh, and Aleve comes in a really arthritis friendly pill case, easy for adults to open.
     
  7. iGary thread starter Guest

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    Yeah, I'm on Relafen (a major anti-inflammatory), which does no good at all anymore. I also take Skelaxin (a muscle relaxer) three times a day. Prednisone (a steroid) is the only thing that really helps without using narcotics, but they only put me on 12-day courses of that.

    Hopefully this will be a non-issue after surgery, just wanted to see if anyone had any alternatives.
     
  8. Lacero macrumors 604

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    LOL. :D
     
  9. iGary thread starter Guest

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    My primary care doctor is a quack, you all are more informed than he is. I asked him the same question and he was like "yeah I'm not sure what pain killer is less sedating."

    Genious decided it wasn't a priority last Friday to call in my refill for Vicodin, so I got to do a four-day business trip in agonizing pain. I had an MRI two weeks ago and he still hasn't forwarded me the radiologist's report. He walked out during the middle of my last physical to take a 15-minute cell phone call. When I called to tell him that my last period of bed rest and steroids did not work, he called back and actually said "what were we going to do next?"

    I know, I need to switch, but anyone who has an HMO knows what a pain in the arse switching primary care doctors is. Once this back thing is sorted he's gone.
     
  10. GanChan macrumors 6502

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    I think Tramadol would be a less mind-bending choice. After my foot surgery I had both hydrocodone (which I think is approximately the same as Vicodin?) and Tramadol sitting around the house, but only used the Tramadol. The hydrocodone made me dizzy and nauseous, and gave me awful nightmares. The Tramadol just made me stop hurting.

    Also, as a general rule it's a good idea to take the absolute smallest dose that seems to work, regardless of the prescription instructions. If you can get away with a half-dose, do so.
     
  11. iGary thread starter Guest

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    Hydrocodone is Vicodin - Vicodin has acetominophen with it.

    And yeah, it gives me some of the most bizarre dreams/nightmares I have ever had in my life. I really hate the stuff, but it does make me able to walk/drive/sit in my office and work. Guess I should just deal.

    Thanks for the Tramadol name, I'll ask about it.
     
  12. ravenvii macrumors 604

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    I recently had surgery, and took vicodin during the first two days afterwards to cope with the pain. I hate the stuff too - it makes me feel like I'm going to faint every 15 minutes.

    It makes me wonder what exactly does it take to become addictive? Why'd people get addicted to something like THAT?

    Oh well.
     
  13. wdlove macrumors P6

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    I glad to hear that you have an appointment with your neurosurgeon next week. One thing to remember about narcotics is that they are constipating, drinking plenty of fluids is very important. Some even need a stool softener. You could try Motrin, but it can be hard on the stomach.

    My wife is a Registered Nurse also. She has worked with pain management issues. Her recommendation is that you see a pain management specialist. Also a physical therapist could be helpful. Your physician should be able to set you up with a referral.
     
  14. MacAztec macrumors 68040

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    I had a hernia surgery, and they gave me some 500mg Viccodin. I was IN THE ZONE when I took those. I would just pop one, go on the computer, play some poker, and time flew. Man, those were something else.
     
  15. Mechcozmo macrumors 603

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    I'm not sure about ibuprofen, but acetaminophen (Tylenol) is dangerous at 3 grams a day, aka, 6 pills.

    HMO... nice. My dad's hospital doesn't take those anymore. In case you're wondering why: They would go out of business if they continued. Each HMO patient, the hospital and the surgeon loose money.
    Your doctor couldn't care what happens to you. Each second he spends on you, each time you go to see him, he looses money. Your doctor DOESN'T WANT TO SEE YOU because you're driving him out of business. I'm not accusing anyone here, just pointing this out.

    My dad's theory is that eventually health care will split into two: HMOs and not. The doctors that take HMOs will be the worst doctors. They will be cheap. The other doctors won't be cheap, but will take actual care of you.

    Take your pick.
     
  16. Sun Baked macrumors G5

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    Yes, I though the liver damage warning went out for acetaminophen ... especially because it is in everything these days without a strong warning, resulting in lots of death livers every year.

    Especially if you end up on multiple medications...
     
  17. iBlue macrumors Core

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    Tramadol (aka: Ultram) is probably a good idea actually, it's a synthetic opiate but not as additctive physically and doesn't tinker with your mental faculities as much. However, it's not meant for those with seizure risk, a note that should be mentioned. it raises the seuzure threshold... it's somewhat rare but it happens. seizures are strange, often once you get one it means you are more prone to having another. (to explain briefly)
    that's my disclaimer ;)

    yes hydrocodone is also known as Vicodin, Lortab, Norco, etc the strengths in acetaminophen and the hydrocodone (opiate pain killer within) vary.
    the opiate part, the part that works, comes in:
    5mg
    7.5mg
    10mg

    the acetaminophen comes in 325mg, 500mg, and 650mg - this varies on how it was prescribed.

    THE LESS ACETAMINOPHEN THE BETTER - this drug got the unfortunately good name of being safe, it's in everything and it's actually really bad stuff.
    the toxic dose is actually 4grams (4000mg) from my understanding, and one extra strength Tylenol is 500mg - so beware.

    there is NO SUCH THING as 500mg of hydrocodone itself, that is death - the 500 you see is merely acetaminophen/tylenol. (sorry, it's something I hear a lot and it bugs me, I feel compelled to inform ;))

    Aleve is not always so easy on the stomach but it's not a bad idea.

    oh enough from me on this, hope it helps though
     
  18. iJon macrumors 604

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    It can cost quite a bit but some marijuana can always do the trick ;)

    jon
     
  19. MacAztec macrumors 68040

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    haha, how much is it for a gram over there? its like $15-$18 here.
     
  20. iBlue macrumors Core

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    WOW, that's a lot!!! but since I don't know what is "allowed" here and what might really be frowned upon, I won't go too deep into that discussion.

    P.S. I never found weed to be very helpful for pain, and I don't get the impression iGary wants to be more inebriated.
     
  21. Royal Pineapple macrumors 65816

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    i just broke my collarbone and have been medicating with vicodin and marijuana for the past few days.
    this is my first experience with vicodin and i have to say i was pretty satisfied. after i take a pill i cant even feel the pain for the whole day. only in the evening does it start acting up again, so i smoke some pot and it goes away again (and i can fall asleep). i havent had any nightmares, i wonder what part of the vicodin has been causing them in you guys.
     
  22. mgargan1 macrumors 65816

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    you know what's weird, vicodin didn't do anything for me when I took it. The pain didn't go away, nor did I have any haze. When I took tylenol 3, I got all hyper and had the same affect as caffiene.

    Good luck iGary
     
  23. iGary thread starter Guest

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    LOL - I'd consider the ganja route, but I quit smoking tobacco five years ago, and I'm sure it would make me pick up the cigs again...

    My script bottle actually has a warning about liver damage an acetominophen.

    Hopefully won't be taking these much longer, but glad to have the Tramadol option.
     
  24. Jay42 macrumors 65816

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    yup, I've been on vicodin on more than one occasion. Most of the time though, I would rather have the side effects rather than whatever pain I needed them for.

    From what you say about your doctor, sounds like borderline malpractice if he didn't give you the meds you needed!
     
  25. Sun Baked macrumors G5

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    Note this if you are ever in a position to be prescribed these meds again.

    Basically put it down as having a reaction to codeine (I think that's Tylenol3) on your medical history when it is updated. And list what the reaction was.
     
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