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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by zimv20, Nov 28, 2004.
only 26 days after the election. nice. hey, at least we got saddam.
"I truly am not that concerned about him... sounds like one of those exaggerations."
Remind me again why Pakistan is an ally of the US. Is it because their scientists and intelligence service help in proliferating nuclear technology to rogue states, or is it because they are no longer seeking out "evildoers", or is it simply because Musharraf is such a nice, cuddly, democratic bloke at heart who finds it really hard to take off his uniform?
i would be pleased to get an answer to that as well...
exactly my thought when i read the thread title
I think it's basically "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" foreign policy. India leaned towards the Soviet Union during much of the Cold War; Pakistan was fighting India, so we supported them.
I believe the answer to that question can be gleaned from Machiavelli:
"since one must start from the present state of things, one can only work with the material at hand."
You might also reference Hobbes' Leviathan.
how dare those pakistani's only look out for their own interests...
Or one would rather not catch their most useful boogeyman.
The focus has been entirely on Iran, and other oil rich countries in the middle east.
Al Qaeda got lucky on 9/11, Bush got luckier as it gave him the greatest motivational tool in history to use to get his policies past, fear.
Using Pakastanis was a cop out in the first place, the US had Special Forces all over the area and an a large military force there for long enough.
It just made it look as though something was being done.
That was then, and now is now. The US gives Pakistan (a military dictatorship, if we need any reminder) a tremendous amount of aid -- for which we get what, exactly, in return?
I sincerely, sincerely, hope that this is some kind of trick to make bin Laden think it's safe to come out into the open, where they can capture him. (Remember, "some troops" will remain.)
we " leased" the use of their airspace, bases and troops for a finite amount of time. this is the fallout of gaining allies thru force or bribery.
in the big game of poker, the u.s. may have a lot of chips, but we're consistently one of the worst players at the table.
Does this mean they're with us, or against us??
It's Mission: Accomplished.
Until we pull out of Iraq and need to start another war, anyway.
Well, ya know, it's gotta be one or the other. Nobody's allowed to be neutral.
You all just don't quit do you? Everything's gotta be a conspiracy. Come on, give it a rest already.
No, just another ****up.
i'm sorry, were we suppossed to quit questioning this administration, their tactics and their policies? that mentality kinda goes against the founding ideologies of this country doesn't it?
and i don't see anyone talking about " everything "...much less a "conspiracy".
if you're going to participate, you're going to have to do more than post trite sweeping generalizations.
Maybe they think - if America isn't that keen on finding him, then why should we.
RIP War on Terror. That's All, Folks. The Fat Lady has sung. Bin Laden must be having a right old chuckle.
so instead, we've got these?
- War on Activist (i.e. Liberal) Judges
- War on Filibuster
- War on Roe v Wade
- War on Privacy
- War on Social Security
- War on Iran
- War on Fiscal Responsibility
- War on public education funding
- War on the enviroment
- War on political dissent
- War on the Constitution.
War on Peace.
Don't forget the War on Science.
I like to broaden the idea as a War on Logic & Reason.
Or we could just term it the War for Ideological Purity of Thought.
War on History.
Ideology, untempered by History (ie Realism), is bound to be undone by it.
Every generation sees itself as singular: that the times are unique and they are wiser and more enlightened than those preceding them. Unfortunately, this has been said (and warned against) since Roman times.
How short-sighted and arrogant we are. And more so every day.