Panther & Finder

Discussion in 'Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther) Discussion' started by movabi, Dec 18, 2003.

  1. movabi macrumors member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Location:
    Iowa City, IA
    #1
    Does anyone else think the finder blows?
    If not, I need help.

    Here is my scenario:
    Today I had a folder on my desktop of various graphics files. There are 4,182 items and the folder is 300 mb. I accidently let go of the mouse while trying to drag the files into the trash. It started moving all 4000 some files to the desktop. I tried to stop it from happening by trying to click stop, but the finder became unresponsive. Its like it had to finish moving every single file before I could have any control of the finder. The dock became very unresponsive... bobing up and down very choppy. I can't access the apple menu and switching between apps is very slow. I waited for minutes. It finshed and I did an undo copy from the menu. That was at 2:52. It is now 4:26 and i still have a dialogue box on my desktop saying "Preparing to Undo move to pix2". Is this the way the finder is? Does anyone esle have crap like this happen? Is there a maximum file size for folders?

    I mean, I have it in my head that this should be a fairly instantaneous event. Its not like i'm even copying them... i'm just moving them. I have 67gb free on the startup drive... I HAVE 1.5 gig of ram... I have 2 one gig processors. I feel like i'm on a mac SE30 running system 7.

    I'm running OS 10.3.2. Does anyone have any answers for me? I'm beginning to have serious doubts about apple... unless this problem is happening to me only. Once again, its not like i'm calculating pi or trying to render some animation. Its just moving files. And it does this doggy behavior all the time for me.

    If you have some advice let me know.:confused:
     
  2. latergator116 macrumors 68000

    latergator116

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2003
    Location:
    Providence, RI
    #2
    Well first off, I have to agree with you that I hate the Finder in 10.3, ecspecially the distracting metal interface. The first thing I was going to ask you is what you were running on, but what you have is more than plenty. Sorry, all I can say is try rebooting and maybe it will work.
     
  3. mklos macrumors 68000

    mklos

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2002
    Location:
    My house!
    #3
    There are some discussions else where abut the OS X.2.3 update making systems slow...especially boot up times. Did this happen even before you updated to Mac OS X.3.2?

    I've haven't had any problems with Apple's new Finder in Panther...in face I think its great! Much more useful than before. It runs very fast on my 1 GHz Flat Panel iMac w/768 MB DDR RAM. (Mac OS X.3.1)
     
  4. movabi thread starter macrumors member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Location:
    Iowa City, IA
    #4
    yeah...

    yes, it has been doing this for some time. And always with moving large amounts of files.
     
  5. latergator116 macrumors 68000

    latergator116

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2003
    Location:
    Providence, RI
    #5
    hmmm...try resetting the PRAM? Im not sure if that will help, but it can't hurt.
     
  6. Edot macrumors 6502

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2002
    Location:
    NJ
    #6
    Report it

    You should report the problem to:

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/

    This way it may be fixed in a 10.3.x release. I guess you could try moving the files a little at a time, but that shouldn't be the way you have to do it.
     
  7. j33pd0g macrumors 6502

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2003
    Location:
    Central NY
    #7
    Yep. The metal Finder is got to go. Also side bar needs more options... like text only... a pref for hide side bar on a global level... transparent background would be cool too.

    Here's what I do: When selecting large amounts files, select them and then use the key shortcut: command + del. I use this because one time I accidently clicked to hard and the finder proceeded to launch Photoshop and in turn all 1,723 images. I had to force quit PS. No big deal I guess. I just hate having to force quit.
     
  8. movabi thread starter macrumors member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Location:
    Iowa City, IA
    #8
    yeah...

    I usually try to do the command... this was just one of those things that it was selected so i might as well drag... i guess and I also hate to force quit ;-)
     
  9. mklos macrumors 68000

    mklos

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2002
    Location:
    My house!
    #9
    You can make it only icons...just drag the bar in between the side bar a the rest of the window to the left and it will go over to icons only and display a little tag saying what each icon is for.
     
  10. movabi thread starter macrumors member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Location:
    Iowa City, IA
    #10
    yep...

    yeah, but that doesn't change the size of the icons
     
  11. mklos macrumors 68000

    mklos

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2002
    Location:
    My house!
    #11
    Right now I'm copying 4GB of stuff off my external FW HDD to my iMac HDD so I can burn it to a DVD and yes it did take minute or two to copy it over, but it DID NOT slow down Finder or any other app running. I would try what the others recommended. I doubt this will help, but you can repair your permissions too.
     
  12. mklos macrumors 68000

    mklos

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2002
    Location:
    My house!
    #12
    Re: yep...

    The icon size only changes when you change the size of the window...Apple specifically made it that way.
     
  13. j33pd0g macrumors 6502

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2003
    Location:
    Central NY
    #13
    Yeah I tried it like that for a week... that little strip is just strange... and then the white bubble tags are slow.

    The Finder also likes to toss the desktop folder (after restarts, start ups) into my side bar. I don't want it there... but I guess it decides I do.
     
  14. movabi thread starter macrumors member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Location:
    Iowa City, IA
    #14
    i see

    yeah, i see what you mean. but l like being in control of that. like adding a list view and setting one size and going with it.
     
  15. movabi thread starter macrumors member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Location:
    Iowa City, IA
    #15
    reset the pram

    i reset the pram... something odd happened where my machine wouldn't boot after it... Had to restart from another drive doing command option shift delete. then reselecting panther drive.
     
  16. movabi thread starter macrumors member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Location:
    Iowa City, IA
  17. latergator116 macrumors 68000

    latergator116

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2003
    Location:
    Providence, RI
  18. movabi thread starter macrumors member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Location:
    Iowa City, IA
    #18
    Nope...

    Calling apple... I was hoping not to have to go that route... since it seems to take forever with little results...
     
  19. snickelfritz macrumors 65816

    snickelfritz

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2003
    Location:
    Tucson AZ
    #19
    One thing I've noticed about the metal Finder is that window resizing is noticeably slower than in spatial mode.

    Safari(metal) also has slow resizing behavior, but Mail(non-metal) is very smooth.

    Metal is slower.
     
  20. 1macker1 macrumors 65816

    1macker1

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2003
    Location:
    A Higher Level
    #20
    I also think the new finder is crap. And I think apple has gone overboard with the 'metal' look.

    when i preview photos in the new finder, the images are blurry.
     
  21. neut macrumors 68000

    neut

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2001
    Location:
    here (for now)
    #21
    glad im not having these problems. the Panther 10.2.3 finder on my TiPB 867 works fine, even when moving or copying Gigs worth of stuff (sure it takes a while, but that's my 4200rpm drive...man i need to get that 7200 in here!). This while photoshopping, iPhoto-ing, safari-ing, DLing, networking, and playing iTunes. no unusual problems here. i move 300mb daily with no prob.

    oh, and i like the finder too. :)


    check your HD lately???



    peace.
     
  22. huntsman macrumors member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2003
    Location:
    Australia
    #22
    Re: Panther & Finder

    Coming from Windows Explorer and KDE's Konqueror, Panther's Finder is the the most annoying for managing many files and directories. Some annoyances:

    * Can't select list view as default. You have to manually set it for every new directory you view (though sometimes selecting list view of a parent seems to propagate to the child dirs, but it doesn't work consistently).

    * Directories aren't listed before files. This is very annoying when traversing directories containing more than a few files--the directories you want to get to are buried among the files. Sorting files by kind is a sort-of workaround, but again, needs to be set manually for each directory.

    * There seems to be an intrinsic flaw which causes it to be slow to keep window contents in sync with actual directory contents. When you switch to a Finder window there is a delay before new files appear. Sometimes new files won't appear in an existing Finder window at all.

    * Selecting many files in list view for copying/moving is often frustrating. If you want to drag a meticulously selected set of files, but click in the wrong place (which seems to include the selected files themselves, for the most part) when it comes time to drag them somewhere, your selection is lost.

    * And the biggest of all: lack of a tree view of directories. This makes some previously simple operations (e.g. moving a file from the a current 5-level-deep dir to 4-level-deep parent) very slow.

    I'm relatively new to Mac OS X so perhaps there are some "power tips" which provide solutions to the above that I'm not aware of.
     
  23. zellin macrumors regular

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2003
    Location:
    Phoenix, AZ
    #23
    If you have OmniGraffle (it comes w/ some macs) you can drag a directory onto a blank document and it creates a tree map of it. At least that's what I'm told...
     
  24. zellin macrumors regular

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2003
    Location:
    Phoenix, AZ
    #24
    Oh, and I love the metal in the finder. Maybe it's just because it complements my 12" PB so well :rolleyes:
     

Share This Page