Parallels Workstation on a Sony Vaio

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  1. mac000 macrumors 6502a

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    When Apple released the 17" MBP before they released any intel iBook i got pretty frustrated.

    I am considering purchasing a sony vaio. Currently, can you run Parallels Workstation on a PC to run OS X on it? :confused:
     
  2. mmmcheese macrumors 6502a

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    There are no guarantees...and even if it worked today, it doesn't mean it will work tomorrow.

    ...but if you're fine with Windows, and Sony's QA/Support, then maybe the Vaio is your machine...
     
  3. mac000 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    haha sounds very promising doesn't it
     
  4. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    Doubtful..

    And it's not legal to run OS X on non-apple hardware. Check the EULA.
     
  5. mac000 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Oh its not? I didn't know that, I assumed it is bc Apple can run Windows XP on their OS.
     
  6. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    That would be up to Microsoft's Windows End User License Agreement to determine as legal or illegal, and there's no mention of hardware restrictions in the Windows XP Pro EULA.

    But the Mac OS X End User Lisence Agreement clearly states:

    This distinction is mainly (IMO) because Microsoft doesn't make computers that run their OS.
     
  7. sjshaw macrumors regular

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    Violating a license is not illegal. It's a civil matter.
     
  8. mac000 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    i see.. so,,,, whens that MacBook coming out again? haha
     
  9. mmmcheese macrumors 6502a

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    Next Tuesday
     
  10. Anonymous Freak macrumors 601

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    This is true and false.

    Violating the license agreement of a purchased software product by using it in terms barred by the license is a civil matter. (Such as running a store-bought, boxed copy of OS X on a non-Apple machine, which you can't do since the boxed copies aren't Universal.) You are violating a civil contract (the license,) not any criminal laws. But, as I mentioned in the parens, you can't even legally ATTEMPT to install OS X onto a non-Apple machine, because there is no legal way to purchase a copy of OS X/Intel other than buying it with an Apple Intel machine. I suppose you MIGHT be able to have some kind of legal grounds if you buy an Apple Intel machine, completely remove OS X (run Linux, Windows, whatever,) then install it's copy onto a non-Apple machine. Then you wouldn't be violating copyright (see below,) but would be violating the license.

    Using a piece of software for which you did not acquire a license in the first place is a criminal matter. (Downloading OS X/Intel off a peer to peer network, then installing it on your Sony. You are violating copyright in this case, which is a criminal matter.) Any 'normal' means of trying to get OS X/Intel onto a non-Apple machine would violate copyright, since the only conceivable way to install it would be that mentioned above.
     
  11. mac000 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    wtf, ok ok i get it. you can use Parallels on a mac to run windows but not the other way around. Thanks people
     
  12. dalvin200 macrumors 68040

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    so does that mean that you can put one of those Apple stickers (that come with the mac) onto a Windows PC, so it will be "Apple Labeled" :D
     
  13. dextertangocci macrumors 68000

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    I don't think you have that option. When I last checked Parallels website, you couldn't run osx on a pc.

    PS: Rather buy an apple, wait for the macbook, you won't regret it!:cool:

    PC's, especially sony pc's SUCK!!!
     
  14. FFTT macrumors 68030

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    The MacBooks should be out VERY soon.

    It may be as early as next week, but most likely ( totally guessing ) some time next month, but certainly before the back to school rush.

    The VAIO would allow you to run Windows or Linux

    The MacBook will allow you to run Mac OSX, Windows or Linux.

    Also keep in mind that Parallels is still in beta test mode.
     
  15. mmmcheese macrumors 6502a

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    One thing to consider...the virtualization hardware in the mac mini has been disabled, so parallels works the same way that virtual pc does (translating all instructions)...only the iMac and the MBP actually support it in hardware. There's a good chance that the MacBook will essentially be a mobile mac mini....just some food for thought.
     
  16. kgarner macrumors 68000

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    That isn't EXACTLY true. Yes the virtualization component of the chip is disabled, but saying that it runs like Virtual PC is not. It runs like Virtual PC for Windows or VMWare does. Which is to say that it runs very well, with a slight performance hit, but still screaming compared to Virtual PC on a PPC processor.
     
  17. mac000 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    but we can still use "Bootcamp" on a mini w/o problems right?
     
  18. mmmcheese macrumors 6502a

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    Yes, and there's no "problem" with parallels' software on the mini, it just runs slower than if it was able to take advantage of the virtualization hardware.
     
  19. mmmcheese macrumors 6502a

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    Well, Virtual PC on Windows is still much slower than Parallels on Windows with virutalization hardware. So it is a performance hit (and sometimes significant). I didn't mean to compare cross platform instruction translation, but translation is done regardless.
     
  20. BWhaler macrumors 68020

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    Stay as far away from the Sony's as you can.

    My company bought 22 Sony laptops, and all but 3 had issues.

    The support boards are lit up with quality issues. Apparently folks think that because Sony is in so much financial problem, they are cutting quality.

    Wait for the Macbook. You can run Windows, OSX, iLife, and every other app out there. And you won't have Sony quality problems.
     
  21. mmmcheese macrumors 6502a

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    My experience with all of Sony's divisions is that they have great ideas and innovations, but their quality control and customer service makes you want to kill yourself.
     
  22. Anonymous Freak macrumors 601

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    Yeah, Sony is quite innovative, but when you have a problem, you're screwed. I've had a Sony Authorized Repair Center tell me that when a Sony computer is out of warranty, throw it away and buy a new computer. They wanted $800 for a motherboard that was just a slightly customized Asus motherboard. The Asus motherboard in question retailed for $75. The only changes? The addition of a Memory Stick controller, and a custom screw hole layout. (Which meant that I couldn't just buy the stock Asus and throw it in the Sony case.)
     
  23. mmmcheese macrumors 6502a

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    We had a tube blow on a Sony HDTV (2 months in), and the service guy was trying to convince me that I was imagining it....and he was really rude about it.

    I also had a Sony mini-system, and the CD player broke on it...it was shipped in for repair, and when it came back, the CD player drawer had fallen out completely. So I sent it back again, and they returned it to me unopened. When I called, they said it worked perfectly and that I must be doing something wrong. I still wonder how they managed to get a CD into the drive to test it in the first place.
     
  24. adk macrumors 68000

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    I feel for you. In 1999 my mom bought a VAIO laptop. In 2001 she dropped it and cracked the motherboard. Sony didn't even make the motherboard anymore, so she was totally screwed.
     
  25. Anonymous Freak macrumors 601

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    I will say that I've found Sony's 'authorized service centers' to vary in quality, from excellent to horrible. I've had GREAT luck with ones local to Portland, Oregon, as far as the actual customer service was concerned. For devices under warranty, it was great; for out-of-warranty, but with parts available, excellent. But, those service centers have also advised me in some instances that a replacement part for out-of-warranty items are prohibitively expensive. Per Sony, not that they wouldn't LIKE to sell it to me, just that it's so expensive that it's not worth my while.

    I have gotten a Sony shelf 'mini component' system repaired under warranty with no complaints, a portable MiniDisc recorder repaired out of warranty (it was dropped,) with no complaints, and an old LCD portable TV out of warranty (backlight burned out,) with no complaints. The backlight was horrendously expensive ($300,) but it was cheaper than a new TV (at the time.)
     

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