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  1. fukuhela macrumors member

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    Why is it excatly that we aren't "allowed" to want a PDA from Apple?

    I know it would be most helpful for me to keep track with all the things I have to do every day. Yes I could use a Palm, but I don't think they are enough and good enough.
     
  2. eyelikeart Moderator emeritus

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    It's not that we aren't "allowed" to want one, it's simply the fact the Jobs has made abundantly clear that Apple Computer is not interested in tapping back into that market. There have been numerous posts regarding the want for a PDA from Apple, but we all know its very unlikely we will definitely see one. Now, if the "New" product that's starting to become a rumor on these boards would happen to something like a PDA, I'd guess a lot of us would be wrong in our views.

    Sure many people like them, but to me it seems like the case of the Cube. The people who have them love them, but the product did more hurt than help for the company.
     
  3. Ensign Paris macrumors 68000

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    swinging

    We just don't know, but most people swing to the "probably will never be released" tone.

    Guy
     
  4. iwantanewmac macrumors 6502

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    pda?

    Please shut up abou pda's.
    If you want 1 buy a Palm or something.
    Geesh who NEEDS a pda. I never got that.
     
  5. jefhatfield Retired

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    i don't get the pda zealots

    i can see people wanting an apple pda or a pda in general

    but i have met people who have replaced their laptops with a pda and lived with a desktop at home and a pda on the road

    these people are usually business types and not computer enthusiasts in general and tend to be older than 25
     
  6. DannyZR2 macrumors 6502

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    why

    who cares how old you are.. who cares who uses them..

    why do you people have to know why someone may want an Apple PDA? we all know if there were one from Apple it would be better than Palm. THAT is why we want one from Apple.

    People have different uses for devices and different needs for computers/portables.. it is retarded to tell someone else that having a PDA is useless just because you don't need one.



    I personally hope to see one at MWSF, so why don't you all bash me for that!
     
  7. jefhatfield Retired

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    JUST MEANT APPEAL WAS NARROW

    ...not that u were zealot

    its just that some worship their pda so much that it is a curiosity more than a complaint or criticism

    [Edited by jefhatfield on 12-24-2001 at 12:49 PM]
     
  8. eyelikeart Moderator emeritus

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    Not a bash...

    While u may have a valid point with nothing wrong with people wanting them for whatever various uses they may have for the units...

    but I feel a lot of people need to get over the whole Apple/PDA thing...

    and not to sound crotchety about it, but if u want a PDA get a Palm already...
     
  9. mnkeybsness macrumors 68030

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    finally some of you have gotten it through your thick skulls that apple will not make PDAs. sorry, it's jsut really frustrating to hear people constantly wish for an apple pda, when Jobs clearly stated that apple will NOT make PDAs. the market for PDAs has got to be like 1/100th of the market for computers. and since only 5% of those who are in the market are with macs, that's like 5/10000 people who would get an apple PDA. COME ON.
     
  10. bunge macrumors member

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    That's irrelevant. If Apple designed a PDA that was as complete as the iPod it would turn heads. It would convert some people from Windows to the Mac.

    No I don't think they're going to do it. No I'm not holding out hope. Don't flame me.

    Thanks.
     
  11. Doraemon macrumors 6502

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    Why there won't be a new Apple PDA

    ...because the first was a disaster for Apple.

    Newton history
     
  12. mnkeybsness macrumors 68030

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    no i don't think that it would convert many windows people-they usually tend to like buying things cheap, which means that apple would make their pda overpriced, leaving the cheapos to turn to palm
     
  13. bunge macrumors member

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    An Apple PDA would be very different from a Palm or a PocketPC. It would convert some of the high end PC buyers to Mac, not the average person. Anyone that uses a Palm and likes it doesn't need an Apple PDA, that's true. Like the iPod, an Apple PDA would offer features that either were far better than the competition or the same but actually work with ease. The iPod is converting people so why wouldn't an Apple PDA? The market is finally mature enough to understand what a Newton is and the benefits it has. Technology has gotten to the point that a Newton could be made smaller, cheaper and faster.

    I'm sorry, just because Apple isn't going to make a PDA doesn't mean that it wouldn't sell. Jobs refusing to make one is not evidence that a PDA is a bad idea. You or I not willing to buy one isn't evidence that it wouldn't sell.

    I still don't care about the product, but I have yet to hear a very convincing argument against a high end PDA product.

    [Edited by bunge on 12-24-2001 at 11:48 PM]
     
  14. dantec macrumors 6502a

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    Well what happens...

    When Apple buys out palm huh? There was interest back in 1998 (or was it 1997) when Apple wanted to buy out Palm from 3com but never did. Now that Palm has the BeOS under it's hood, and Mac OS X needs a fast stable filesystem, I don't think this kind of action would be very bad.

    I loved newtons (but desested the eMates, eughhh!), they were cool, first of their time...
     
  15. fukuhela thread starter macrumors member

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    Someone please help me out; Why is it that peoploe who doesn't want to hear about PDA's stil reads threads concerning PDA's.

    If you have that much time then do something else than "bash" us who would like to discuss it. Go spank your monkey instead.

    But hell I don't know if you people get turned on by bashing other ??

    I don't mind people saying their oppinion, but just writing, that we "should shut up" is not discussing a subject - ....if you should be in doubt....

    My honest and humble oppinion....

    Merry Xmaz and happy new year.
     
  16. mnkeybsness macrumors 68030

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    it's because people need to find the proper place to talk about PDAs. when all of us that actually pay attention to what is going on participate in macrumors, then we stick our nose into the threads. apple will not introduce a PDA, therefore this is not the proper place to talk about them, therefore we sitck our nose in it
     
  17. iwantanewmac macrumors 6502

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    apple and peedee a?

    well let me make it clear. You guys are not really discussing pda's here. Just whining about apple that should release such a device.
    And what new features should the new apple pda have that might convert windows users (this is rediculous)
    and blow the competition away?
    I bet some says: well a quad G5 with bla and bla........
     
  18. Doraemon macrumors 6502

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    Re: Why there won't be a new Apple PDA

    Just recognized that the link doesn't work. Here is the correct URL:

    Newton history
     
  19. Doraemon macrumors 6502

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    Re: Why there won't be a new Apple PDA

    Just recognized that the link doesn't work. Here is the correct URL.

    Newton history
     
  20. amichalo macrumors regular

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    Why we *need* an Apple PDA

    We all have to remember what makes a computer (ordigital device like iPod) an Apple. These devices aren't just massproduced comsumer electronics. That is just the tangible form of the Apple Experience. It is that experience that people seek when they talk about Apple building a better PDA.

    I have a Palm Vx, it is my second PDA, my first being an Everex Freestyle runing Windows CE (yuck). Both were great devices, and both leave the market wide open for someone to create a better experience. (examples? true syncronization of data, ability to copy files from desktop filesystem to PDA, airport network access within an office building, sharper/clearer displays, Java2 support for thin client HTTP apps, etc)

    Just like the iPod creates an amazing experience for MP3 player owners, Apple could choose to give us a PDA experience we would shell out a similar premium for.

    The problem is that in my personal experience, I use my cell phone as my personal PDA (phone numbers of friends, etc) and my PDA 95% for work or travel. If most people follow a similar usage pattern, then Apple shouldn't launch such a product until they penetrate the business market - UNLESS they create a PDA targeted at students. Highschool and College students would benefit greatly from the mobility and instant availability of information a PDA brings. Further, Apple's strategy has always been, get 'em using the Mac early and they will use them when they grow up too.

    Your thoughts?
     
  21. eyelikeart Moderator emeritus

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    Apple PDA

    While I don't think Apple would jump into the PDA market again after their previous failure, I don't think it's excessive to imagine something like the iPod somehow becoming a makeshift PDA with the proper software. Even though I don't yet have an iPod, from what I know about it I feel that it would have to be revised a little before this could be possible. It could be sort of an option for users who want to have their iPods for use as personal assistants. What do u guys think of this?
     
  22. bunge macrumors member

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    The iPod as PDA has already been done and it's relatively simple. Take an MP3 with no data (4k or something like that) and use the ID3 tags to hold name, number, address, etc. Ingenious (but not my idea).
     
  23. eyelikeart Moderator emeritus

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    good idea...

    but I was thinking of it actually becoming more than just an mp3 player...

    but still, I don't have one, nor do I need a PDA...

    but am awaiting the day for an iPod!
     
  24. dantec macrumors 6502a

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    Since I am only a two year old Mac user, I have not have experience with those long flops during Apple's history.

    But when reading history sites I always found it cool seeing stuff like Apple digital camera's, digital scanners etc... This kind of idea of one company making everything is great!

    What apple needs to do is to make these things affordable. The average Joe doesn't care about features, just cairs about price. If apple can deliver a high resoultion scanner for under $100 it would sell well.
     
  25. eyelikeart Moderator emeritus

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    Apple's affordability

    Apple is trying to tap into every market possible...

    The high end products such as PowerMac & PowerBook for professionals...

    Consumer end products like iMac & iBook...

    Education with the iBook...

    iTunes with the iPod for everyone...

    I think they are attempting to be everywhere...
     

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