Perfect machine (minus OSX)

Discussion in 'General Mac Discussion' started by tgl, May 11, 2004.

  1. tgl
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    http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/s...tegoryId=2049168&dualCurrId=73&catalogId=-840

    Oh god, if this only had OSX instead of XP it would certainly make me pull out that credit card regardless of price.
    Apple really needs to upgrade laptops again as this baby unfortunatelly makes current Apple offerings look weak (again). Where the hell are those G5 powerbooks - if they have them ready they better release them now cause I'm itching really bad for this (even with huge XP handicap, this almost looks too good to be true).
    Or if IBM would please convince Adobe to please release Photoshop for Linux - that would work as well... (please no flames - I just want a decent version of portable unix with fast
    Photoshop performance on hardware that does not burn my skin and has screen that
    you can view from at least some angle - am I really asking for that much here?)
     
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    Okay, i understand that this is a good machine and all. But I wouldnt say that it makes apple loptops look outdated. The machine is not that much over the top. Granted it has a FireGL vid card, but thats a 3d card. It also has a smaller HDD. And the fact that it about $4,700 doesnt help much.
     
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    So you register on a Mac forum and on the same day make your first post about an IBM laptop?? Ok...

    Anyway, I find it funny that people here are drooling over a $4,700 IBM notebook. Imagine the huge outcry and anger on these forums if Apple released a G5 2Ghz Powerbook tomorrow and it cost $4,700!!
     
  5. tgl
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    Good to see you have looked up to make sure I'm (not) a troll.
    Seriously, I have been wanting to justify buying an apple laptop for so long now
    (I currently have older thinkpad - love the hardware but hate the software)
    but the heat plus lack of speed on powerbooks is still holding me back (I have spent several hours in the Apple stores playing with photoshop on 12, 15, and 17 models
    (both B and C revs) but unfortunatelly that feels just as slow as my several years
    old thinkpad (T22). What I really want is a unix laptop that also runs photoshop fast
    and does not burn my lap. But unfortunatelly such beast does not exist.
    As far as price, you are right people would complain - but Apple laptops with
    those specs and battery life would fly of the shelf even at that price
    (I know I would buy one).
     
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    Hmmm... funny you people are dissing IBM ThinkPads. It just so happens the ThinkPad don't break apart when you accidently drop it on the floor. And it just so happens IBM includes a complimentary 3 year warranty on the ThinkPad, free. Now, that's something you don't hear from buying an Apple product everyday.

    But damn, that's an expensive laptop. Makes the Apple PBs look cheap.
     
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    jxyama

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    get a 15/17" PB with 2 GB RAM. that will fly your photoshop, at least faster than T22. if you are willing to pay $4500 for the IBM, then you can certainly afford those 2 GB RAM modules.

    increased RAM will also improve heat issues because a lot of heat comes from HD spinning and less paging will reduce that as well.

    store machines are usually very low on RAM. so i am not sure if you want to use them to gauge their performance.
     
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    I'm sure that not everybody buys a PowerBook/iBook for thier looks.

    I don't care what my computer looks like (because I do custome mods), if tommrow Apple started exporing X to Windows, I would buy a DuLL.
     
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    ive dropped my 12" PB and it hasnt broken. Ive dropped it several times (im not THAT clumsy :D) and it hasn't broken. at least apple cares about eye appeal. and they are macs!!!
     
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    It's still one ugly-ass laptop no matter how durable ThinkPads are.
     
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    Its true that IBM make good laptop BUT: they are expensive and noisy (I am typing from one at work right now) and heavy.

    Second, if you are a PS poweruser, why are you working on a laptop? Real user use tower so they can max ram and use fast SATA drives. If you are just using PS for the fun of it, well.. you can wait 3-4 more sec for each filter.

    Finaly, I dont see why you are impressed by this laptop. Yes it has a good video card (which is only really good for 3D) but thats about it. For the same price, you can get a G5 dual and an iBook which is a much better deal IMHO. And even better you could use network render to quicken the hole thing (not 100% sure about that).

    I am a bit borred about people who think that PB are desktop replacement. I know that Jobs talked about it a bit but they never well be close to that. When you buy a computer, you have to see what your needs are and get a computer that fill your need. Not get a laptop because you can use it in a café to show up. I know because thats what I do: spend a few hours a week programming in front a cup with the bright apple logo visible to anyone in the room :). It sound a bit show-off but at the same time, I got two contract this way!
     
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    varmit

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    my god (I'm setting him a blaze)

    Its almost 5 grand buddy. God damn. Get a 17 inches for that price. Max out the 17 inch and you only get 4 grand. What you get with Apple, 2 gigs RAM, 80 gig hard drive, Superdrive, and 128 on the graphics and 17 inches. Your IBM laptop only has .5 ghz over the PB, and it has been shown that those GHz don't mean anything, that the PPC can do the same work at less ghz. Why do you think IBM uses PPC in their server line, because its better.
     
  14. tgl
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    Whether or not laptop can replace desktop is personal decision and it can be
    based on any of the following (need to compile, want snappy machine, want to show off,
    etc - I don't question what motivates other people to buy whatever they decide).
    For me, I'm convinced that 1-2 years from now there will be either apple (hopefully)
    or linux laptop that will process canon 1ds 11meg files as fast as most of the best
    desktops do today - at that point your argument that desktop and laptop should be viewed
    as two different animals will no longer hold any water (for me, as applications I care about
    will run fast enough at that point - but still don't now).

    To justify upgrading/switching (for both laptop and desktop) I need the following:
    1. comparable processor/bus speed
    2. comparable heat
    3. comparable screen resolution
    4. comparable HD speed

    I feel that I could switch to powermac and get all or most of these but not for
    powerbooks.
    Unfortunatelly, I really planed to update my laptop first and pace of improvement
    of powerbooks really disapoints me (as I said I have been going to Apple store for a while
    and I really don't see any significant improvement between current offering
    compared to previous (rev B) - other than faster DVD burning and somewhat better
    graphics card).

    It looks like my lurking days around these boards are not about to end until
    next powerbook and powermac come out. Until then I'll continue to enjoy reading
    all the wild predictions - mac community is quite something, even by the standards
    of someone who normally hangs around linux boards.
    Thanks for listening.
     
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    There is nothing to drool about with the t42. i have worked on one(not my own), and it did not make my heart go mushy. For all my purposes, it was just as fast as any other latest machine. A really good machine, but nothing to make it stand out in a crowd. Like all thinkpads, it is sturdy, but then, it looks it too ;)
    But even a t42 heats up, and i would not base my purchase just on heat/no heat. yes, adobe products would run better on this than on a pb, but i thought that was well known (Adobe not very cuddly with Apple...)

    If your main objective of using a computer is Adobe photoshop, and only a notebook will do, then you have to buy something like this, and grin-and-bear-it. I too will need to buy a wintel soon for my job-related apps. But i shall try and not advertise that ;)

    But for 5K, you could get some serious hardware anywhere you turn. I wish i had that much to burn : with what i have, a P4-3000 desktop with an LCD screen looks nice enough to me.
     
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    i happen to think thinkpads are one of the best designed laptops... other than Mac laptops, i think thinkpads are the best looking. if i had to buy a windows laptop, i'd definitely go for thinkpads.
     
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    i'd rather have a 15" PB and a cinema display for that pricetag...
     
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    Ehhh, the G4's are outdated. And even tho it's just ".5GHz over the PB" as you mention, the thinkpad does have Centrino after all... so yes, like you say PPC's perform more instructions per clock, the same goes for the centrino. In performance is probably comparable to a 2.8~3.0GHz pentium.

    But anyways, I'd rather buy a 12" powerbook (like what I have now) and save the rest for a G5 powerbook.
     
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    Most businesses and tech pundits would agree with you. IBM is one of the better built and more reliable laptops on the PC side, whatever anyone thinks of their looks (actually IBM is said to keep them black and blocky on purpose, for brand recognition).

    Of course, they've got a price to match....now, I wonder why doesn't IBM have to fend off the outcry of the tech press complaining how much more expensive an IBM laptop is than a similarly configured Dell? :p

    On the original topic...I think the Powerbook heat thing is a bit overreported; mine's never given me too much grief on that score. Snappiness is definitely one of those subjective things that's kind of in the eye of the beholder, but I agree with jxyama that maxing the RAM will improve both performance and heat issues.

    Personally I am happy to trade the minimal lack of responsiveness that I can discern on my PowerBook (which still has only the stock RAM) for not having to run Windows...but then, that's my home machine, not a production environment. In your case, I can see that nothing less than a G5 may do. Though, I don't think anyone else who's waiting on the Powerbook G5 would disagree with you that sooner would be nicer than later. :)
     
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    no offense, but this is the biggest piece of crap i've ever seen. You seem to be wanting a laptop, that will out perform any desktop you put it against. For the same price, you could get an Alienware ora Voodoo, and it would slaughter that machine. You can replace the video card in the alienware, and Voodoo makes one with three hardrives that you can run in a RAID. They also go up to 3.4Ghz P4's with 800mhz FSB. If you want some crap ass windows machine, there you go. I like IBM thinkpads, but for the price, that just isn't worth it. Personally, i would get a PowerBook 15" and go with it. Its fast enough for me.
     
  21. tgl
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    You missed the points (all of them). I want a fast laptop that DOES NOT RUN
    WINDOWS. Even though I love the way this thinkpad both looks and the other
    specs I will NOT buy another windows laptop (or desktop) for personal use.
    I was just admiring the hardware and dreaming about unix and photoshop
    running on it. Price is not an issue - I would pay 2K more to run unix on any
    machine (but not at cost of burning my knees and waiting for screen to redraw).
    Bottom line, I can't really buy anything yet and have to sit it out until
    apple comes out with something better, or adobe starts magically running on linux.
     
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    Yes, it's ugly, but if I had to buy a PC laptop, I'd look hard to find a ThinkPad I could afford. Their reputation for sturdy reliability is unmatched.

    Yes, it's expensive, but it has a 2.0GHz Pentium M CPU that isn't even shipping yet. That may prove the equal of the 3.4GHz desktop Pentium 4 CPU in most real-world applications. And, it looked like they were saying it has a 15" 1600x1200 screen. Wow. And, you'll probably be able to find this notebook for less money at some reseller like www.cdw.com.

    For somebody who needs that kind of mobile performance, it might be worth $4600. For me, I'd get a Rev B. G5 tower and a Cinema display, or an iBook and a pile of music gear.

    Cheers,


    Crikey
     
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    They haven't changed the design since the early 90s. What's wrong with IBM? Do they not understand...this laptop looks like $#!@ with IBM stamped on it. o well, if it sells.
     
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    LIAR! The T42's were announced on Monday and won't ship for 2 more weeks at the earliest. No one has them yet so how did you "work on one."

    Typical BS.
     

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