I am a pretty no fuss guy, I like technology minimal and to the point. Touch stuff annoys the crap out of me, but I have a very large music collection and my only desire is to have it acccesible to me at all times as well as the ability to back up other stuff. A classic Ipod makes far more sense than a nano or a touch because of the sheer memory and simplicity. A friend of mine is selling his 6g 80, I have been reading reviews about problems with the 6g such as slowness, sound quality etc etc. I have also read that some of the problems were corrected in the updates, and the the 120gig classic also had further updates which improved. My concern is that as there are no more updates for the 80/160 models, any problems left are uncorrectable. Again, from reading reviews and posts around the net it seems that the last update for the 80 did help, but did not completely fix the problems with the cover flow and other playlist bugs etc. I do not want to buy something that screws up on me. I have several options as it stands, the 80 Ipod, a brand new 120, where by I can hope that continued updates will eliminate any problems or I find a 5g 80gig as these models seem to be extremely reliable, fail safe and idiot proof. I was wondering what the thoughts of you guys are, any input, be it personal or otherwise is appreciated. Thank you!