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Discussion in 'Macintosh Computers' started by maradong, May 17, 2003.
Macbidouille posts the following.
the translation will follow immediatly, give me 10 minutes.
I hope your gonna understand something my english isnt really one of the best...
Let's start with Darwin, its interesting to note that the darwin sources haven t been update since febuary. Now, Apple is spreading only the sources corresponding at the official versions of MacOSX. For instance, Darwin 6.6 for OS X 10.2.6
Before, Apple spreaded also the sources for the versions in devel on their servers. Hence, in the may 2002 the community already had access to the future Jaguar. Apple took their time to take out the parts of the code written to allow non-released products to be supported.
I imagine that Apple have put-in the support of the PPC970 into darwin. It is only a little modification you have to make to the source to hide the modifications.
We could now imagine that with the support of the PPC 970, it has become impossible to hide the modifications. And it is perhaps because of this point that Apple has decided to limit the grab'in of the sources of the official version.
The Developpment utilities have been treated the same way. We think that Apple has stopped to work at it since last december.
Another point is that it is the material with a little k ( ??? ), the SiLO, who will be used as the basis of the new Power4+ @ 1.7 ghz. They have to come out in july. With the same material the PPC 970 should be able to turn @ 2.3 ghz and even faster.
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In general, the power pc 970 is a power4+with a smaller gravature.
**** I don t know how to translate that, even if i understand it well... ****
A finer cpu is generally faster.
Can please anybody else continu the work? my english is just to bad to write the following lines.
Thanks Maradong for the translation and for bringing this news for all of us! This is indeed some more great news for us all. IBM is pushing things forward! Go Apple go!
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Here's my try to translate the last part of the post:
So, in short, the PowerPC 970 is a Power4+ but manufactured with a smaller etching technology (difficult to translate indeed!). This is possible because the reliability of the 970 doesn't need to be as high as that of the Power4. But by using the smaller manufacturing process a processor can run faster. Problem remains that you hit other physical barriers. To keep the electrons going in the right direction you need materials with a low k value. IBM is using SiLK for the 0,13 micron manufacturing process and again other materials for the 0,09 micron process.
Because the PowerPC 970 is manufactured using the 'smaller' process compared to the Power4, its performance will improve more with this new material. This will result in 2,5GHz in a not so far future, as IBM announced recently. End 2003, beginning of 2004, it will be produced using the 0,09 micron process. End 2004, IBM will add "strained silicon". The reason for all of this is to improve the mobility of the electrons. The Power5+ will get to 3 GHz. And the PowerPC 970/980 will probably reach 4,5 GHz. Based on these reports.
That's it. My native language is Flemish so don't shoot the messenger because I was translating from my second to my third language.
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same for me, i only know luxembourgish german , french, english and spanish
does google translate it that way, i can t follow your point..
What it sounds like they are basically saying is that IBM is going to use the 0.09 microns manufacturing process (this is how wide the wires or circuit pathways are). As a comparison AMD recently switched from 0.18 to 0.13. Intel is also now at 0.13 but plans to go to 0.09 some time in the future.
Having smaller circuit pathways means the chip requires less power, gives off less heat and can run faster. So the 0.09 PPC970 should be OK for a powerbook G5/PPC970.
The translation as Babelfish has it
I may sound like the knife in the back, but I doubt the new machines carrying the PPC 970 chip will be released in July. I don't feel Apple has enough of the supplies and time to manufacture 6 or 7 digits worth of machines carrying the PPC 970 chip. Even if Apple did announce these machines in July, they may not ship until later in the year. Also, the quantity of these chips, whatever it is now, will significantly increase the longer Apple and ourselves wait. The end result is a $2000 machine running a PPC 970, rather than a $3000 machine running a dual processor G4.
Remember when the first G4 machine was announced? It was based on the G3 motherboard. The G4 was not expected to arrive until 2000 or even 2001. Instead, it was released before the year 2000. To top it off, it was $3500 without a monitor.
I still remember using my father's computer and going to Apple's website, to find that the first supercomputer was being sold for under $4000. I remember my father walking into his office when I was using his machine, as he noticed the new machines on his CRT. He told me the G4s were not even supposed to come out yet.
I doubt Apple wants to go through this mistake of being rushed. It is nearly impossible for something being rushed to go unnoticed. Yet it is also almost impossible for something to go unrushed and not have both time and effort spent on the project. In this case, it is perfecting the new machines and their accompanying processors.
I agree 100%. The time frame is just too short. Releasing them at WWDC would be great, but IMO it's total fantasy.
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hey, that's pretty darn good if you ask me... I just speak english and spanish (the latter almost fluently). Thanks for the info; sounds like great news!
I hope Mac Bidouille is on target with all of their many predictions. Either they have a some very high up sources or they have been talking out of their ***** for a long time now.
I also agree. We know they are realeasing panther at wwdc, but what else will they introduce? Will they mention the 970? they did mention itunes 4 way back in the year, but the 970 is little higher on the "upgrade scale".
Does anyone know the next step after 0.09 microns? Like 0.06 or 0.05? Or is 0.09 the farthest our current technology can go?
I don't think they are even releasing panther are they? Unless I've read it wrong, and maybe I have, everyone at WWDC will get a preview release of Panther, not the final. Big difference IMO. If they were releasing it, then I would say that adds much more weight to the possibility of new Power Macs. However all the estimates I have heard are still shooting for a September launch.
If that is the case I would expect new PM on or after that date. Not before. Especially not with them making small upgrades to make the current PM more compatible with Panther. Why would they bother if the NEW machines were coming out? The answer is they wouldn't. SJ wants you to buy a new machine, not stay with the old stuff.
yeah your right, they are previewing it. On apple.com it says, "Get an in-depth look at the future of the Mac platform and a preview release of the next major version of Mac OS X, codenamed "Panther", at Worldwide Developers Conference 2003, June 23-27, in San Francisco. " But do you think they will even mention the 970's or are they trying to keep low profile until their launch?
I think you'll see ..065 microns. Intel will go from .09 to .065 so I assume that may be the next logical step for all.
It's hard to say. On the one hand I think panther and the new hardware go hand in hand. You can't really extoll the virtues of one without the other. On the other hand we all know if they preview the hardware and say it will be available at x time in the future, Power Mac sales will damn near cease or at least take a large hit. Maybe apple feels they can't get any lower, I don't know. I know it won't stop me from buying a dual 1.42 but I'm a freak. LOL