Power Macs are waiting for Serial ATA

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  1. macrumors newbie

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    The next rev of Power Macs will ship with Serial ATA.

    When the new Serial ATA drives hit the channel in the next few weeks, the Power Macs will be announced.

    www.seagate.com

    You will notice that no one has any stock of Serial ATA drives yet.
     
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    cr2sh

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    Do you actually KNOW something or is this pure speculation?

    For example: I know that serial ATA transfers at 150MB/second but... to my knowledge... Apple has never used a Seagate Drive in the powermac. Am I wrong? Maxtor was at MWSF.. but Seagate was not.
     
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    rainman::|:|

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    Didn't you see his username, "iknowsomestuff"? Obviously he knows some stuff.

    pnw
     
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    cr2sh

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    In that case, I should change my username to "TheG5WillBeReleasedTomorrow." :rolleyes:
     
  5. macrumors regular

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    I've since sold it, but the 60GB inside a MDD Dual 1GHz was a Seagate Barracuda IV.
     
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    cr2sh

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    It came stock? I stand corrected. I think they are better drives than Maxtors and I'd be happy to see it... but something tells me that the PowerMacs are waiting on more than a harddrive.
     
  7. macrumors regular

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    Nice

    This seems to open the door to simple RAID implementation in the towers. I've never inquired about his in Power Macs, is this possible hardware and software wise?
     
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    LethalWolfe

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    Re: Nice


    PMs already have software RAID available, and if you want a hardware RAID you can just by a controller card. Or did I misundersand what you were saying?


    Lethal
     
  9. macrumors member

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    for anyone reading who does not know, serial ata uses a different connection that is smaller, serial ata is cheaper to make, much faster, can chair more devices, and is a more secure data transfer, less corruption in files. it would be spectacular if they put these in the new powermacs.serial ata is the future of hard drives. oh, and it consumes less power and produces less heat.
     
  10. macrumors regular

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    How reliable are Serial ATA mechanisms compared to IDE and SCSI?
    I noticed that Seagte only offers a one year warranty.
     
  11. macrumors member

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    one year warranty yeah, but didn't maxtor do the same, cutting the warranty on their IDE HDs back to one year?

    Anyway, as far as I know the one year warranty thing only applies to non-EU sales since the one year warranty is illegal according to EU regulations.
     
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    The interface and the electronics that exchange the data are different ....the platters / heads etc are not any different from what I understand so reliability should be >=
     
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    LethalWolfe

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    Serial ATA maybe faster, but that won't make a dang freak of difference until we get faster HDDs. Putting a current HDD (which doesn't even push ATA66) onto Serial ATA will result in a speed increase of 0.


    Lethal
     
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    Nipsy

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    Here's a simple way of understanding drives vs. interfaces.

    An ATA drive is a golf cart. It has the same top speed on a path (ata66), a road (ata100), an expressway (ata133) or a freeway (serial ata).

    Two golf carts will clog the path, and have to slow down, but two golf carts won't clog the road, expressway or freeway.

    Until drives become something faster (cars), as LethalWolfe said, it will not matter, unless you have two drives on an ata66 bus.
     
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    No! Don't! That would be a nightmare - we all know tomorrow never comes!
     
  16. macrumors regular

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    In all of the posts so far about Serial ATA, it seems that everyone forgot to mention one of its best features - hot swapability.
     
  17. macrumors regular

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    Serial ATA would be a good move for Apple, whether they should introduce it before parts become widespread is the difficult bit.

    Also if you look at http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/marketing/detail/0,,564,00.html you'll notice one of the features of the Barracuda Serial ATA V is:

    SoftSonic (TM) FDB motor: Quietest acoustics on any desktop drive

    Perhaps if Apple can get the quietest fans too the next PM could be whisper quiet :)
     
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    Of course, since the fans are louder than the HD by several orders of magnitude, Apple could put in a Seagate hard disk containing "InfiniLoud(tm) Technology" that's "sounds like 15 ball bearings being shaken in a tin can" and no one would probably notice...
     
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    the dual ghz has a deskstar byt ibm. i cant recall ever seeing one in a computer. all i have seen is quantam, western digital, ibm, and maxtor. i will look at all the other macs tomorrow.

    iJon
     
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    Apple uses Seagate

    If you custom configure a Power Mac with SCSI hard drives those drives will be Seagate. At work we have a 933 with 3 72GB Drives and those are all Seagate Cheetahs.

    I think they use IBM for the standard configs, though.
     
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    iJon

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    Re: Apple uses Seagate

    but on the other guys it said seagate on that ata bus, if it was a scsi wouldnt the hard drive be on the scsi card in the pci section of apple system folder. im just guessing. anyone else with these machines want to look. doesnt macbandit have this machine.

    iJon
     
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    My dual gig QS (purcahsed in April) came w/an 80gig Maxtor.


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  25. macrumors newbie

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    Recent arrival

    My DP867 arrived two days ago -

    I upgraded to 80GB when I placed my order and the drive is a Seagate.
     

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