Well since Apple did not release new Powermacs I came up with a kinda flow chart of events- August 15 1.2ghz come out-MWSF 1.4ghz or G5 but unlikely- MWNY G5 comes out. This sequence leads to G5s by MWNY, but here is another look. August 15 1.4ghz comes out-MWSF G5s appear-MWNY who knows? August 15 no new anything-MWSF 1.2 or 1.4ghz come out-MWNY possibility of G5s if 1.4ghz is at MWSF. SO what do you think is right?