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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by AJBMatrix, Feb 19, 2006.

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Does the DOJ have the right to this information?

  1. Yes, they have the right to the information.

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  2. Yes, but only with a warrant.

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  3. No, unless a specific crime was commited.

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  4. No, not at all because this is private information.

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    26.7%
  1. AJBMatrix macrumors 6502

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    Google is the only one out there that is fighting for the rights of the people. Think about how much information the Department of Justice wants from the daily user. What do they want? What are they using the information for? I feel like the DOJ is trying to read my mail or spy on me as I shop in the mall. Do we really want them knowing all this information about us? I say that we send a message to MSN, AOL, and Yahoo by not using their services anymore. They have now lost my trust. They did not even fight for our rights. Google is the only that fights anymore.
     
  2. clayj macrumors 604

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    You mean the same Google that COMPLETELY rolled over for China?

    Google doesn't give a crap about your rights, my rights, or anyone else's rights. All they care about is what's good for THEIR business model.
     
  3. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    how about a poll option for moving this to the political forum?
     
  4. AJBMatrix thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Google, offered what they could for China. What else where they going to do? It was either loose all grounds in the country and loose every barganing chip by being kicked out or back off for now and keep a little influence. A small amount of western influence on China is better than no influence. Sometimes you have to cut off a finger to save the hand.
     
  5. iMeowbot macrumors G3

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    I can't find the thread now (the thread was about something else) but within the past few days there was a Chinese poster on MR who was kind of bemused by all the commotion. The poster mentioned that while google.cn is filtered, it puts up a notice that it's been filtered; and regular google.com is still available...

    [ Edit: Found it. ]
     
  6. AJBMatrix thread starter macrumors 6502

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    That is really cool to know. If I only could read that I would have posted it for us here. Thanks for the info.
     
  7. Xtremehkr macrumors 68000

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    I don't see what the big deal with Google and China is. That is a separate situation that really does nothing in the way of protecting freedoms here at home.
     
  8. solvs macrumors 603

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    It's a way to make it seem as bad as others like MS who completely rolled over right away and Yahoo who actually helped to jail a dissident in China. The neocons do it all the time to make it seem like the dems are just as bad because they kinda almost but not really do similar things, even when not as bad. I.e. the Abramoff scandal. I don't like what Google did in China, but that's not the question here. The US government can't do this type of thing without a warrant. Which is actually pretty easy to get, you just need a reason. Since they don't have a specific reason, they're trying to do it without a warrant. And since people seem to forget that even those who help to make the laws and enforce them have to follow them as well, especially when you mention kiddie porn and terrorism, they get away with trying. I'm glad Google is standing up to them, no matter what the reason.

    And for all of those who say "I have nothing to hide", it's not about that. The government doesn't have the right do these things. It's a basic tenant of our society. There's just too much room for abuse. That's what a warrant and Miranda rights are for. So King George (the guy from 18th Century England, not GW) can't come knocking at your door for no reason and do whatever he wants. ;)
     
  9. skunk macrumors G4

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    I guess that makes society your basic landlord.
     
  10. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    You don't even want to know what goes on with our Tenets.

    Let's just say we deserve our security deposit back.
     
  11. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    Ever filled out a Census long form? Do your income taxes? Register a car, and get a driver's license? Own a gun? Got a telephone?

    What's dot-gov gonna learn from Google that they don't already know?

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  12. XNine macrumors 68040

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    Midget and senior citizen fetishes?
     
  13. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    I'm a curious little critter. I end up searching the damnedest things sometimes, including in-depth information on nuclear power, weapons, RTGs, nuclear medicine and accidents and health issues of such.

    What are the odds that if the DoJ were given a direct link between real-world me and my Google search history, I'd end up on some kind of watch list?

    What are the odds that there's something wrong with me having to worry about that at all? (I bet it's 1:1)
     
  14. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    Oh my God how did you find that out?!

    I mean... I don't know how that stuff got in my cache.
     
  15. solvs macrumors 603

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    It was late, you know what I meant. :p

    That's a dangerous attitude, and surprising to hear from a Republican. Would you want Hillary watching what you do? I know I don't. Even if it's just reading tech stuff and politics (among other things). I don't care what the government learns from Google, they don't have the right to learn it without a warrant, and therefor a reason.

    Not to mention things learned through illegal means are more difficult to prosecute because they're usually thrown out of court. And it is illegal. They have to follow the rules just as any police officer or judge would.
     
  16. XNine macrumors 68040

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    Well you see, I am part of a political party that recently sued to have search records turned over... The most offensive things we found out about you were:

    Likes: Midgets and senior citizens
    Crabcakes
    Urin art
    French Fries
    Pointing out the mistakes of President Bush
    And the state of Utah.

    All of this equates to you hating freedom. We expect the FBI to arrest you within the hour. We hope you have fun in one of our torture, uh... I mean, REHABILITATION centers...
     
  17. AJBMatrix thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Talked to my Dad. He is in the FBI and rather up there on the Non-Agent side of things. He said that he has no idea what the DOJ is doing with this but does not like where it is going. Of course that is all a non-official statement.
     
  18. skunk macrumors G4

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    Probably disinformation. Never trust an FBI man, even if - no, especially if he's your dad.
     
  19. solvs macrumors 603

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    Actually the FBI are the ones we should trust. Remember they're still pissed that they had to waste all that time on false leads thanks to this crap. CIA too I guess, since they're getting blamed for all sorts of things too and someone outted one of their own for political payback.

    THIS IS NOT A THREAT, but me thinks Bush should beware the Ides of March after pissing off so many of those who should be protecting him.
     
  20. AJBMatrix thread starter macrumors 6502

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    My father is in agreement that the CIA is doing some not-so good things. Really, my father is rather pissed at the FBI and administration right now. He says that he is looking for a new job because "They are sitting on their hands with their thumbs up their ___. I really cannot stand behind them. They are doing nothing and nothing is the same as working with them." So the worst thing my father is doing is not changing the higher ups.
     
  21. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    solvs, to reepeat: A Republican, I ain't. I'm conservative but not really A Conservative and certainly not a NeoCon as I understand the views of those so labelled. Okay? I'm mostly a small-l paleo-libertarian, whatever that actually is.

    Anyhow: I've always figured I'm already in most every computer known to dot-gov. Gunzine subscriptions, NRA Lifer, letter-writer to editors and Congressheeple, outspoken in general and to hell with who's listening. Outspoken that I'm against crimes against person and crimes against property, but that there's no such thing as crimes against government. :) I'm glad that such as Claire Wolfe agree with some of my views. :D Boston T. Party and I have our disagreements, however.

    But I'm polite and courteous in my contempt...

    'Rat
     
  22. solvs macrumors 603

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    Ok, then I apologize. And thank you for not calling me a liberal, which I am also not. But doesn't it bother you that you could be on some government list because you like guns? That they could spy on you whenever they'd like without a warrant just because they feel like it. I'm sure you already are on a list somewhere, as am I probably for my activities, but that doesn't make it right. Especially since it is illegal. And I would hate to think the FBI is wasting it's time watching either of us when there are real bad guys out there that they could easily get warrants for.

    I used to think people were paranoid for believing this stuff, but now that it's actually happening, the implications scare the bejeezus out of me!
     
  23. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    Sure, a bunch of it's illegal. I have never figured out how it can actually be stopped. Apparently, nobody else has, either. When the people who are supposed to enforce laws ignore such laws as inhibit their "druthers", how--in the real-world sense--do you deal with it? I don't know.

    Example: The FBI is in charge of the NICS deal for firerms purchases. The law says they gotta erase the information on a purchaser after 24 hours. If, instead, the information goes into a central database, who's gonna know? That is, who's likely to know who would blow the whistle on this illegal practice?

    But I've been in the gun-control arguments since 1968. I quit worrying about "them" and all that tinfoil hat stuff way, way back. If they watch closely enough, they'll see me awarding them the Rigid Digit. "Last Great Act Of Defiance". :)

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  24. maya macrumors 68040

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    Freedom lost in the USA. :confused: I find that rather ironic as they are also working with companies and manufactures to implement short and long range tracking devices that is embedded in clothes, cars, human skin, etc...

    The US is becoming a scary place to live or even travel anymore, the Government has become so paranoid to "protect" its citizens that it's using that as an excuse for everything to "exploit" those very citizens that they have vowed to protect. I find this all rather ironic.

    Today just recording your information such as DOB, Gender, etc...
    Tomorrow spying on your digital habits, etc...
    Future tracking your every movement. :eek:

    No thanks, I am willing to take a little risk for my freedom, we can never be 100% safe in this world. What make the US Gov't that they are up to this impossible task. What if you get hit by a car or truck, or shot on your way home, of something mother nature or the universe heads our way. The reality you cannot do anything to be 100% safe, just accept the fact. ;)

    I see this more of a way to feed on peoples paranoia in the US and continue to milk it for what its worth. :rolleyes:
     
  25. maya macrumors 68040

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    The government is so wrapped up in so much collection that they have databases of information and it either sits there for years or nothing happens to it due to a lack of staff, funds, etc...

    When you collect too much and have nothing this will eventually be a hole in the Governments pocket down the road. It all seems like a "great" idea until it becomes logical sense and works in the real world. ;)
     

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