Radeon 9800 Special Edition and 9800XT, whats the difference?

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  1. neonart macrumors 65816

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    Ati's site is very lame when it comes to Mac Cards. Does anyone know the specs of these two cards and what makes them different? I know both are 256MB and 8X AGP, but not the clock and memory speed etc.

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  2. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but IIRC the 9800XT is clocked significantly higher.
     
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    Apple offer a 256 MB 9800 XT as a BTO option on the current Power Macs.
     
  5. Soulstorm macrumors 68000

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    So, no one can upgrade his card to 9800XT? Doesn't apple sell it as an after-purchase upgrade?
     
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    EDIT: OK, I found the details this time! It's got a comparison of all the Mac higher-end cards. Here you go:

    http://www.barefeats.com/radx800.html
     
  7. BornAgainMac macrumors 603

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    I didn't realize the Radeon X800 XT Mac Edition was so powerful. I bought the nVidia GeForce 6800 GT thinking that I got the 2nd most powerful card for the Mac. I thought ATI was starting to be a slacker. I was wrong.
     
  8. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

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    I think its a result of poor drivers for the Mac 6800s. Macs nvidia support sucks while ATi builds there drivers for the mac to get the most out of their cards. Apple doesnt seemed to concerned about the poor drivers the nvidia stuff has to use and unless im wrong it is still is using a modified driver from the yuck and schmuck fx5200. Thats why those cards are getting hammered.
     
  9. neonart thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Thanks! Thats what I was looking for.

    Based on that, the difference is not much and the SE can probably be over-clocked to match the XT.
     
  10. Platform macrumors 68030

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    No.........as said BTO from apple.com ;)
     
  11. keysersoze macrumors 68000

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    Done! ;)
     
  12. Platform macrumors 68030

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    Yeah............ :eek:

    X800XT is VERY powerful and cheaper than the 6800 :eek: :D
     
  13. neonart thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Any difference? Any video artifacts?
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    On a separate note:

    For some reason ATiaccelarator (or whatever it's called) will not launch on my machine. It says something about a preference panel failure or something. Any ideas?
     
  14. keysersoze macrumors 68000

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    Not that I could tell-- For the most part, I've had it set at 400mhz, up from 380, with no problems whatsoever. Dialing it up to 412mhz is only 3 more percentage points (An 8% overclock)... Staying at or below 10% total overclock seems to be acceptable. So at 10% overclock you can get it to 416mhz. I did find that the fan works pretty hard at those speeds, so 400mhz was a nice compromise.
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    Have you tried reinstalling ATicellerator? did you have to install the ROM update? Maybe that's got something to do with it?
     
  15. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    It might be a moot point - I don't see the 9800XT on Apple's site anywhere anymore. Or the X800XT for that matter. WTF?
     
  16. MacsRgr8 macrumors 604

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    Enter 10.4

    In the 8A428 build of Tiger, my framerates in Doom 3 improved dramatically on my Dual 1.8 with GeForce 6800 Ultra, 2 GB RAM

    1600 x 1200, High Quality, Shadows on, Timedemo 1:

    10.3.8: 32.7 fps
    10.4.0: 39.2 fps

    Must be down to drivers.
     
  17. keysersoze macrumors 68000

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    Well that's really good to hear. It sucks Apple took 9+ months to get that figured out. I feel bad for all of you who got the 6800 to be disappointed with the performance. Hopefully now it's potential will be realized.
     
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    Just to say that all the new PM have dual DVI ports :rolleyes: ;) No more ADC :p

    How will the plain 9600 with 128MB do :confused:
     
  19. absolut_mac macrumors 6502a

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    Personally, whether on a PC or a Mac, I have never found nVidia's support to be anywhere close to that offered by ATI. I think that the fact that ATI make the whole card, while selling the GPU on the side to independents, has a lot to do with it.

    Another reason why I dislike nVidia are the outrageous specs proffered by the review sites, Tom's Harware etc, and then, except for that specially tweeked one off sample sent in for review, the fact that nVidia can't deliver the goods on their production cards until a year down the line.
     
  20. Bigheadache macrumors 6502

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    To be fair, ATi have been responsible for that as well. Look at all the people who ordered the super high end X800XT PEs (on the PC side) when they were first announced and never received them. Both companies seem to have mastered the art of the 'paper launch'.
     
  21. neonart thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Ok, so now I have a 9800XT. Any suggestions on ungraded heatsink/cooling?

    The XT's oem fan is loud and annoying.

    Thanks...
     

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