Raelians: First clones, now the cure to aging

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  1. Durandal7 macrumors 68040

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    http://www.thisislondon.com/til/jsp/modules/Article/print.jsp?itemId=7683425

    I knew that they seemed too quiet lately, guess it was too good to last. :rolleyes:
     
  2. MoparShaha macrumors 68000

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    I'm usually pretty tolerant of other people's opinions, but these guys are off the wall. Let them think they can cure aging and can clone people, thats fine--but I don't need it to be such a huge media event.
     
  3. Fukui macrumors 68000

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    Re: Raelians: First clones, now the cure to aging

    Maybe he had trouble with his traslator again :rolleyes:
    I guess that means somebody was planning on asking a question...:D
     
  4. Macpoops macrumors 6502

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    Personally i do believe that cloning will happen sometime somewhere. It's inevitable. One day their will be a press conference to announce it and one day the first clone will speak to the world. Who knows maybe there is a baby in some secret lab somewhere that is this clone.
     
  5. rainman::|:| macrumors 603

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    i don't think anyone's disputing this, but these are the people who announced the first human clone-- what, a year ago? --and then refused to provide even the tiniest bit of proof. first cloning, now the fountain of youth. crazy sons of bitches...

    :)
    pnw
     
  6. Sun Baked macrumors G5

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    You sure these guys weren't stock promoters in their previous fraudulent life?

    Almost sounds like the claims a penny stock company would make during a pump-and-dump runup.

    If they haven't done "The Cure to Cancer" it should be next.

    But if I bet on that, it's almost certain to be the "Magic Pill to Weight Loss".

    :rolleyes:
     
  7. AmigoMac macrumors 68020

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    It shouldn't be new...

    I'd think that some clones are already walking between humans, maybe posting here too...;)

    It seems to be a business with these people, releasing something new every year, maybe they will open a Raelian Store... :p

    Wether they should show rear results or not, depends on the ethical/religious point of view of everyone...

    That's all I have to say about that! :)

    You humans, think is easy to go out there and say, we did it! :D :D :D

    OK, I go for lunch!
     
  8. Macmaniac macrumors 68040

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    At least the Raelians were funny to watch on the news, we needed some funny news for once:)
     
  9. themadchemist macrumors 68030

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    yes, they grew stem cells and agglomerated them into a creamy coating...

    indeed, they did it, they reversed aging, with this, this wonder cream!

    and this they called stem cell makeup. and all the women were happy in this their world.
     
  10. irmongoose macrumors 68030

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    Okay, if they wanted attention I would understand claiming something ridiculous... once. But twice!? Are these people out of their friggin mind!?

    Hmm.. come to think of it...



    irmongoose
     
  11. wdlove macrumors P6

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    I definitely don't put any stock in this anti aging theory. They didn't really fool me once, they are not going to fool me at all. Aging is just dependant on too many factors.
     
  12. MrMacMan macrumors 604

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    Untill they prove that they really cloned people I'm not believing a hair of any peice of this story.

    Raelians -- A religion hard to believe in first, harder to believe in now.

    :rolleyes:
     
  13. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    Its hard to believe that something like that would be developed by a bunch of kooks ;)

    Nice thing is that it will only take about 30 - 50 years to find out.....and who's going to remember the Raelians by then?

    D
     
  14. judith macrumors regular

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    OK, I've got some serious questions:
    I can't figure how these guys fund thier research. Playing around with dna is expensive! Universities and other org's like the CDC for instance, have huge budgets, and these peeps figured this out in thier basement/home lab? Not that it's impossible or anything, but I used to purchase for a biotech lab, and even the initial equipment costs for a small project are insane, I mean the cost of a microscope alone could eat-up an average persons annual income.
    And what of the legalities? I know as a business entity, use permits, and all kinds of other regulatory garb comes with the deal. You can't just set-up "Joe Shmoe's DNA Shoppe, Blue eyes - just $14.99 while supplies last.." Can you legally conduct DNA research from home (or otherwise?) without legal implication?

    Does anyone have more links?
     
  15. pooky macrumors 6502

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    Yes, but you forget, this is a quasi-legitimate religious group/cult. I'm sure they've found themselves a few gullible millionaires and convinced them the way to salvation lies in donations. The Scientologists did it, why not the Raelians?

    Most DNA research is perfectly legal. The chemicals involved are fairly harmless (unless you're using ethidium bromide or doing radioactive staining). There's nothing to stop any citizen from calling Fisher Scientific and ordering this stuff. Stem cell research is a little trickier, since, if it's going to be done in the U.S., you need to find a source of stem cells. Getting them from embryos is illegal, which would restrict them to adult donors. If what they're doing is legit (doubtful), it sounds like they could accomplish it with purely adult donors (presumably you'd use your own stem cells to fight aging). Of course, they could also simply do the research in a country that's less scrupulous than this one, which, in their case, I'd say is highly likely.

    --edit: fixed chemical name....doh
     
  16. themadchemist macrumors 68030

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    Good point. Unless you plant to ingest (or inject) some kinase or something, I think you'll be ok. But I don't think you're going to get very far if you don't stain with the hot stuff (radioactive) every now and then. ;) But it isn't very fun to get ethidium bromide on your hands, so that would be a garden variety chemical to watch out for when running electrophoretic gels. But if you can't handle ethidium bromide properly, you really have no business being within ten feet of a test tube.

    You allude to another important point. Not all DNA research is created equal. If you're working in a lab studying DNA structure, that's a vastly different idea from studying biological processes like meiosis, that involve DNA replication. In fact, they are in different fields.

    So stem cell research is totally different from structural DNA research and has its own problems/implications.
     
  17. X98 macrumors newbie

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    In the name of Allah

    November 15, 2003

    The cutting edge of technology


    How can people think that we, the servants of technology, are
    permitted to stand at the threshold of technological advancements?
    This is an unfathomable mystery to me.

    Technology is the most powerful weapon known to man. It has offered
    man ease at the introduction of each and every new gadget, but in
    short order, we are made slaves to it... and prisoners of it. Today,
    just in time for "weekend refection and discussion," the Raelian sect
    is back in the news with a new announcement that, "it has discovered
    a way of reversing the ageing process."

    You will remember these people as the ones who announced they had
    cloned a human being. Now they say they have manufactured five of
    these creatures.
    "The sect's claims are sure to reignite [sic] the controversy
    surrounding human cloning and the use of stem cells, which are
    obtained from foetuses [sic]."
    In other words, their grand achievements rely on using the bodies of
    recently murdered unborn children. Real Frankensteins... No?

    "Experts have admitted the techniques used are 'good science' and
    that reversing ageing is 'theoretically possible'. However, they
    criticise [sic] the Raelians for refusing to reveal their methods and
    proof of their claims."
    A logic problem:
    The mental program based in the idea that the Raelian are "refusing
    to reveal their method" is a key construct to analyzed if we are to
    understanding what is really going on here.

    First, realize that if there was even the slightest chance that these
    people had managed, by whatever means, to advance Hitler's dream of
    manufacturing a super race through genetic engineering, then you can
    be sure that this government of technophile whores would be on them
    like stink on a monkey! Just think of the power the Raelian would
    possess if they in fact had accomplished the remaking of the body and
    the reversal of the aging process! These abilities are the *Crown
    Jewels* of technology! Regardless, of the Raelian's success in these
    matters, their research alone would be invaluable and therefore by
    necessity, be in the hands of this government. The fascist global
    system that today has its seat in America and is reaping havoc the
    world over, would kill anybody or thing... [Like the environment
    itself]... to get their hands on *That Technological Research*...
    i.e., [THAT POWER.]

    So, what we know for sure is that the consciousness construct based
    on the belief that the Raelians are somehow "refusing to reveal their
    methods," is a logic program that runs only in the human mind
    functioning with a defective operating system due to its priorities
    being set by emotional programs that override critical analysis.
    Considering the fascist dictates of the global economic system, which
    relies heavily on technology, this is clearly an unacceptable
    scenario and illogical; therefore, this premise is non-existent and
    need not be considered further outside of its deceptive intent.

    O.K., so... in this logic problem, we have what appears to be an
    illogical reality and yet we know, speaking generally, that reality
    is, if anything we might to able to explain, logical.

    To present this vitally important augment it will take a critical
    analysis of the fundamental facts surrounding this ongoing
    introduction of the most POWERFUL technological advancement ever
    known to man. The promise of eternal life is technology's challenge
    to the God of Truth who promises the same thing, but does not require
    that we murder children and destroy the environment to attain this
    reality. In fact, the God of love and truth demands that these two
    elements of existence, (children and the environment) be loved and
    protected above all else.

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WACOuncensored/ is working to expose
    this program and others through open discussion. Our project is
    growing in dimensions I had not before considered. I will be
    discussing the presentation of this argument with other members. I
    hope that we will be able to shortly give all of you something to
    work with and share.

    Why is this issue of the greatest importance?
    This is a frontal attack on the prime quality that makes us human.
    HUMAN AUTONOMY!

    Until then... Peace be upon those of Compassion

    Andrew X98
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WACOuncensored/
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    *Cult finds 'eternal youth' formula*

    By James Langton, Evening Standard

    http://www.thisislondon.com/til/jsp/modules/Article/print.jsp?itemId=7683425
     
  18. etoiles macrumors 6502a

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    so when are they going to enlarge my penis ?
     
  19. MrMacMan macrumors 604

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    :don'tlooknow: (Or don't look down? ;) )


    Everyone wishes for a '™Magic Pill™' either it be that... or something else like AIDS/HIV.

    Ah well.

    When there is proof one can no longer ignored. (Or they are ignorant).
     

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