Rampage in SLC mall

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by princealfie, Feb 13, 2007.

  1. princealfie macrumors 68030

    princealfie

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2006
    Location:
    Salt Lake City UT
    #1
    Teen Gunman kills 5 in Utah mall

    By JENNIFER DOBNER, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 27 minutes ago

    The 18-year-old gunman who opened fire on shoppers in a mall, killing five and wounding four others before police fatally shot him, was armed with several rounds of ammunition and was carrying two guns, authorities said Tuesday.

    Detectives were still trying to figure out what sparked the young man's rampage Monday night at the Trolley Square shopping mall.

    Salt Lake City police Detective Robin Snyder said the shooter had been identified as an 18-year-old from the Salt Lake City area, but she did not release his name. He was firing with a shotgun, and also had a handgun and several rounds of ammunition, the detective said.

    As investigators began interviewing the 100 to 200 witnesses Monday night and Tuesday, people left candles and flowers at two memorials outside the mall for the victims.

    Marie Smith, 23, a Bath & Body Works manager, said she had seen the gunman through the store window Monday night. She watched as he raised his gun and fired at a young woman approaching him from behind.

    "His expression stayed totally calm. He didn't seem upset, or like he was on a rampage," said Smith, who crawled to an employee restroom to hide with others. He looked like "an average Joe," she said.

    Killed in the attack were two 28-year-old women, a 52-year-old man, a 24-year-old man and a 15-year-old girl, Snyder said. Four people were hospitalized — a man and a woman in critical condition and two men in serious condition, Snyder said.

    For hours after the rampage, police searched stores for scared, shocked shoppers and employees who were hunkered down awaiting a safe escort.

    Matt Lund was visiting his wife, Barbara, manager of the Secret Garden children's clothing store, when he heard the first shots. The couple and three others hid in a storage room for about 40 minutes, isolated but still able to hear the violence.

    "We heard them say, 'Police! Drop your weapon!' Then we heard shotgun fire. Then there was a barrage of gunfire," said Lund, 44. "It was hard to believe."

    They say officers treated everyone like suspects — ordering those hiding in storerooms, bathrooms or under stairwells, to lie on the floor with their hands on their heads until police were sure no one posed a threat.

    On the way out, Lund said, he saw a woman's body face-down at the entrance to Pottery Barn Kids and a man's body on the floor in the mall's east-west corridor. "There were a lot of blown-out store windows and shotgun shell casings all over the floor," Lund said. "It was quite surreal."

    The victims were found throughout the 239,000-square-foot shopping mall.

    Outside, streets were blocked as police swarmed the four-block scene. Dozens of people lingered on the sidewalk, many wrapped in blankets, as they talked about what they had seen inside.

    The two-story mall, southeast of downtown, is a refurbished trolley barn built in 1908, with a series of winding hallways, brick floors, wrought-iron balconies and about 80 stores, including high-end retailers such as Williams-Sonoma and restaurants such as the Hard Rock Cafe.

    Antique store owner Barrett Dodds, 29, said he saw a man in a trench coat exchanging gunfire with a police officer outside a card store. The gunman, he said, was backed into a children's clothing store.

    "I saw the shooter go down," said Dodds, who watched from the second floor.

    Four police officers — one an off-duty officer from Ogden and three Salt Lake City officers — were involved in the shootout with the gunman, Snyder said. She provided no other details.

    Barb McKeown, 60, of Washington, D.C., was in another antique shop when two frantic women ran in and reported gunshots.

    "Then we heard shot after shot after shot — loud, loud, loud," said McKeown, saying she heard about 20. She and three other people hid under a staircase until it was safe to leave.

    The mall was purchased in August by Scanlan Kemper Bard Cos. of Portland, Ore., from Simon Property Group for $38.6 million. The company said it planned to invest $80 million, attract a new anchor tenant and possibly add condominiums.

    "We are devastated and shocked by this senseless, random act of violence and tragedy at Trolley Square, owner Tom Bard said in a statement posted on the KSL-TV Web site. "At this time our greatest concern and prayers are with the victims, their families and loved ones."

    ___

    Associated Press writer Doug Alden in Salt Lake City contributed to this report.

    The question is: Why guns? :eek:
     
  2. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

    Swarmlord

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2006
    #2
    Yeah, it sounds like the gun took it upon itself to killl those people. :rolleyes:
     
  3. echeck macrumors 68000

    echeck

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2004
    Location:
    Boise, Idaho
    #3
    So incredibly senseless.

    You hear this sort of thing on the news all the time, but it's strange how it hits closer to home when it happens in a place that you've been to many times.

    Sometimes I wish police officers wouldn't shoot to kill. I know they were being fired upon and didn't have much choice, but these people that go on these rampages, they want to be killed. I would rather see them suffer for the rest of their lives in prison, and to live with the guilt of the incredible pain they've caused so many.
     
  4. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

    Swarmlord

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2006
    #4
    It's such a shame that people decide on death by cop rather than going for help with their problems.
     
  5. Sdashiki macrumors 68040

    Sdashiki

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2005
    Location:
    Behind the lens
    #5
    $5 million plus by the time they die in prison, or a $.50 bullet.

    gee i wonder, as a taxpayer, which I prefer.
     
  6. echeck macrumors 68000

    echeck

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2004
    Location:
    Boise, Idaho
    #6
    I'm a taxpayer as well, but I still don't like the idea of giving these horrible people exactly what they want.
     
  7. Kelleheretic macrumors newbie

    Kelleheretic

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2006
    Location:
    Rexburg, ID/Wilmington, DE
    #7
    Yeah, it's weird when it's so close to home. I've been to that mall plenty, right by the Hard Rock Cafe. Saw it on the news and was like "Whoa!"
     
  8. Stampyhead macrumors 68020

    Stampyhead

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2004
    Location:
    London, UK
    #8
    Trolley Square is a beautiful mall, made from a renovated trolley station that was in use until the early 20th century. It was recently purchased by a new developer, who is trying to build it up more and increase traffic. Hopefully this incident won't have too much of an impact on people visiting and shopping there. It shouldn't, as this was an isolated incident, but then again, after 911 a lot of people were afraid to fly.
     
  9. Sdashiki macrumors 68040

    Sdashiki

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2005
    Location:
    Behind the lens
  10. darkwing macrumors 65816

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2004
    #10
    I'm not mormon, and I do in fact think it's a total cult. However, they're all great people and not at all oppressive or anything. It's fantastic living around here if you stay away from where the illegal immigrants congregate, and I just put an offer on a house in Utah county which is like 90+% LDS. The mormons make great neighbors and great friends, and as long as you don't argue with them about religion it's fantastic.

    So while I agree with you about the 50 cent bullet, I don't think you need to blame this on their religion.
     
  11. Sdashiki macrumors 68040

    Sdashiki

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2005
    Location:
    Behind the lens
    #11
    I was being facetious.

    in that all religions oppress one thing or another, and that SLC is well known as the Meccah for Mormons.

    "twas all in good fun"

    Mormons ARE one of the nicer Judeo-Christian religions, but far from the least oppressive in terms of daily life.
     
  12. iJon macrumors 604

    iJon

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2002
    #12
    I don't have my data on hand to back me up but I've read in many cases that the death penalty can cost more than life. With all the appeals and court stuff it all adds up in the end.

    On the other hand, when you start taking people's lives on purpose then I feel your life would be better off not existing in this world. I don't really care how productive the person might be in life.

    jon

    edit: Wasn't paying attention about the .50 bulllet, right on with that comment.
     
  13. princealfie thread starter macrumors 68030

    princealfie

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2006
    Location:
    Salt Lake City UT
    #13
    Sorry, but this is getting off topic.

    This is about people in SLC which is mostly non-LDS. Thanks.
     
  14. iJon macrumors 604

    iJon

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2002
    #14
    Didn't mean to get off topic but I didn't say anything about the people of SLC either.

    jon
     
  15. mduser63 macrumors 68040

    mduser63

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2004
    Location:
    Salt Lake City, UT
    #15
    I can see Trolley Square out my front window, so this is really close to home. Helicopters (presumably news) were circling overhead until late this morning. I drove past the mall (as I do every day) on the way home from work last night, about ten minutes before the shooting occurred and noticed that it was particularly busy. Not a good day :(.
     
  16. paleck macrumors 6502a

    paleck

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2005
    Location:
    with the Tequila!
    #16
    I live about 5 minutes away from the mall and usually drive past it on my way home from work. I actually didn't hear about it until this morning when I was listening to the radio on the way to work. Normally I would have driven past the mall right about the time of the shooting, but last night I decided to take care of Valentines early and was delivering flowers to my Mom and sister.

    Once I heard about the shooting it definitely made me stop and think. I've gone to that mall hundreds of times and never thought of it as a dangerous place. It also reminded me just how much I/we/everyone can take for granted life and and those that protect it.
     
  17. echeck macrumors 68000

    echeck

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2004
    Location:
    Boise, Idaho
    #17
    Absolutely. We should all be thankful that there are people in this world like Ken Hammon, the off-duty police officer that contained the situation as quickly as possible. If that one man hadn't acted so selflessly and bravely, there would definitely be more victims.

    He's a Hero in the purest form.
     

Share This Page