RANT- Why doesn't Apple go to the mat or at least be ready for BS??

Discussion in 'General Mac Discussion' started by K.B., Jul 8, 2003.

  1. K.B. macrumors member

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    I watched the Keynote and was damn pleased to see Steve stand up there and say how the Dual G5 kicked the crap out of the Intel machines.

    I thought for once Apple was going to go to the mat and compete on speed or at least kick the crap out of the megahertz myth.

    As was predictable the following day MANY people came out to poo-poo the benchmarks, the demonstrations,ect as always happens.

    "oh, that's not in real world applications.."
    "that's just in Photoshop filters... "
    "they didn't use the latest wintel machine."
    "they disabled the wintel machine so it couldn't do..."


    Right?

    It happens every time.

    So the following day, here comes the onslaught of crap and the response from Apple is....


    Silence.


    If I knew it was coming you can not tell me that someone at Apple didn't know it was coming and could have been ready for it or at least mentioned it when the tests were happening and all that--- come on.

    What about IBM. Big Blue. Mister R&D. where were they? Where were they saying "ah, blow it out your ass and run back to your master under the earth, weasel!" to these people and back it up with numbers and scientists??????

    Why weren't all the benchmarking and tests bulletproof or at least as close as you can get??

    I know all the computer companies and chip makers fiddle around with test results spinning them into the best light but Apple needs to make a claim and back it up if they want to shut the mouths of the Intel minions....

    So now it's a while later and more and more people are p*ssing on the G5's speed and all that and still--- nothing.

    What gives? As I said, If I can know this is going to happen why doesn't someone at Apple be ready for it?

    HUH????
     
  2. Billicus macrumors 6502a

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    Some people are just insecure, I think that the G5's are going to be great, I don't think that all these people ranting and raving that these G5's are slow know what they are talking about. :rolleyes:
     
  3. MacsRgr8 macrumors 604

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    I know how you feel K.B.

    But patience is a virtue.
    Let the whiners whine a little and wait for some "real" benchmarking tests by third parties.
    If Apple were to counter their arguments, it would only put more oil on the fire.... I think we will be able to find countless speed benchmarks and comparisons by the end of September.
    Dual 2 GHz G5 vs. 3.2 Ghz P4 with AND without hyperthreading, running all of our favourite apps.
     
  4. Das macrumors regular

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    Of course Apple more than likely fiddled with a few tests to make the G5 shine. Who cares? ATI did it with their 8500 QIII scam, Nvidia did it with their Futuremark hack, I mean, what can they say? In some tests the G5 will excel and in some case it might falter a little. If they responded to every doubt or conflicting test case, they'd never be done with it because they'd just argue all day.

    In short, it's better for them to sit quiet and not draw any attention to the naysayers. Why elevate them from the backwoods of the internet to near media status?
     
  5. P-Worm macrumors 68020

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    I thought they did reply once. Something about them not doing the benchmarks, but sending them out to get done.

    P-Worm
     
  6. K.B. thread starter macrumors member

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    I just find this annoying because it happens every time....

    GRANTED this was just the product announcement and the machines aren't going to hit the public till the fall and in that time we can hope that Apple prepares an ad campaign that we would all like to see them do.

    Start competing for the switchers.

    Start competing in the megahertz arena.

    We all know these 15 GHz processors (or whatever is the latest Intel fantasy chip) aren't giving the kind of speed the people are made to think they are getting by falling into the megahertz myth------

    Start kicking in the doors and dragging people into the light....

    geez.
     
  7. Schiffi macrumors 6502a

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    I don't know one company to not cheat on benchmarks. And frankly benchmarks mean diddily unless you have a way to utilize those benchmarks. A PC could have higher benchmarks than a Mac, but all that's mean is that the PC can crash faster.
     
  8. Eniregnat macrumors 68000

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    If any of Apple's claims were blatantly fabricated or absolutely untrue they would be sued, at least in the overly litigious U.S.A..I can't remember what computer it was, but I remember getting a 20-dollar check in the mail for a class action suite. The company misrepresented the clock speed of the laptop and I somehow ended up with a tiny check. Go figure. This also happed to Kia. They accidentally misprinted their MPG on one model. As a settlement Kia extended the vehicles warrenty and offered long term road side assistance.
     
  9. iJon macrumors 604

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    honestly i dont think the extra 140mhz would help the intels that much in that benchmark. i am more curious to see these against amd athlons and opterons.

    iJon
     
  10. janey macrumors 603

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    Re: RANT- Why doesn't Apple go to the mat or at least be ready for BS??

    uhh...get used to it. do you see any other company bitching about people who think that their products are crap?
    It always happens. big deal. just ignore them. nobody cares.
     
  11. macrants macrumors member

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    Apple fan, but skeptical...

    I'm a little uncomfortable that Apple felt the need to sink to the level of companies like ATI, Radeon, and Intel in fudging the numbers to make their benchmarks look better.
    How about this pitch:
    "We built a computer that crunches numbers as fast or faster than the top PC's, but we build software that crunches PC's."
    Or something like that, work with me here.
    I agree with Schiffi. The numbers mean less than what it does, and all I care about is how much faster it is than a G4.
    CAN I GET AN AMEN?
     
  12. Eniregnat macrumors 68000

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    Every fudges the numbers.
    It's a science and art.
    The practice has a name, statistics.
     
  13. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    From what I gather it happened the other way around.

    Apple released the benchmarks, Intel disputed them, Apple responded to Intel neatly and Intel shut up.

    The G5 isn't even available yet. When it is, we'll get our hands on the real benchmarks and be able to do some real world Mac-to-PC comparisons that haven't been seen in years.
     

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