I bought a refurb 2012 MBA from Apple's "refubished_outlet" eBay store ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-MacBo...75866249?pt=Apple_Laptops&hash=item460d996089 ) and when I pulled it out of the box, it had 8GB of RAM installed! Pretty cool considering the description was just the 4GB. If people can start getting some of these models from the refurb store with additional RAM then they are a really great deal. I was surprised that the refurb model didn't come in a new Apple box. It came in a different type of packaging that read "Apple Certified" when you opened it. This is my first refurbished computer from Apple but on the forums I'd never heard of them shipping it in a different box. Unforunately, my model has a Toshiba SSD and an LG screen though Win some lose some I guess!