The apple store usually has a few G5's for sale in its refurb section, they are hard to spot but in the morning you will find a few. Right now practically every model of G5 powermac they ever sold is for sale in the refurb section. LOL. I have been waiting for the price to drop on the Quad for a while now. I want the last great PPC Mac ever made but not for $3300, thats robbery. I can't believe they still have not come down in price. Usually by know it drops to $2999. They can't even dump the refurb ones for $2799. I want one for $2100 because frankly that's all they are worth now.