Remembering 9/11

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  1. Backtothemac macrumors 601

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    I am not the type that is real sappy about things, but 9/11 changed the way in which I look at the world, and the world that I live in.

    I will never forget where I was, and the way I felt. At least I thought I would not. 9/11 has become a part of our vocabulary now, and yes, I think of it from time to time.

    Yesterday and today I have watched the tapes of the news from that day. I have them, as they happened. It was the first time that I watched them since 9/11. I don't know why. But it was more than I could take. Truthfully, I had forgotten the pain, the shock, the horror of that day. I remembered the anger, but not the rage.

    Even now as I write this tears well in my eyes. I pray that the world can become what it could become. Peaceful.

    ....... Never forget is more than a statement. It is an action.........
     
  2. Daveman Deluxe macrumors 68000

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    Remembering the past is the surest way to start building a better future.
     
  3. King Cobra macrumors 603

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    It's hard to ignore 9/11, not just in a single country, but all around the world, in every country.

    5% of the entire world is in the USA. Over 300 million individuals, who are part of the tragedy, either in memory or postmemory, will never forget what happened to the country. And a few hundred million others around the world will never forget what they saw and read about a country they hated, appreciated, felt was underrated, or felt neutral about.

    9/11 is the emphasis for why we have Memorial Day, Veterans Day, and all major commemorations.

    9/11 is a tradition in the world.
     
  4. WinterMute Moderator emeritus

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    We have an audio conference at the Uni this week, and we held a minutes silence in the intro speeches today to remember 9/11, we have some US delegates, and they were very grateful and pleased with the gesture.

    Whilst 9/11 has become a very resonant symbol in the USA, it's less well observed elswhere.

    "Those who forget their history are destined to repeat the mistakes of the past"

    Our thoughts are with you.
     
  5. Moxiemike macrumors 68020

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    It's also a good day to realize that, no matter how much time passes on from that event, there's still much work to be done.

    Just thinking, IF 911 was the result of some sort of terrorist attack, what have we done to improve America? Not much.

    Maybe the people, the masses, are more understanding of human compassion, more tolerable, etc, than before (though I doubt it, just reading or watching local news will tell you that).

    But the real thing we need to do is ASK MORE QUESTIONS of our government.

    Realize that no matter how much we want to deny it, our "president" is STILL using 911 as a public relations pawn to position him and his get rich buddies to get richer through this "ethereal" war on terrorism.

    I think that the most important thing to remember about 911 is that TRUE and REAL patriotism lies in the form of asking our government questions. And not accepting the spoon feeding of the mass media. And realizing that our government CAN and WILL CONTINUE to deceive us.

    I think that, since 911, the government has done some questionable things, playing off of the emotion that people felt that day. And that's almost a WORSE crime IMHO. And that when you realize the magnitude of the crimes committed on that day!

    I mourn the lost lives. I mourn the lost innocence. But I am also resolved to do my part to make America better. And the first step is by asking the tough questions to myself. Not to try and find answers, for we cannot change the past. But rather to afford myself the education that I can then pass on to others to assure that something like this, this tragedy of 911, coupled with the continual crap that our leaders cram down out throats via CNN,FOX and other major media outlets, can never happen again.
     
  6. G4scott macrumors 68020

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    Please keep politics out of it. I have a slew of feelings, and you wouldn't like them either, and I'll hold them back, for the sake of the purpose of remembering 9/11.

    At my university, they had somebody play taps at 7:46, and there was a moment of silence. There was a place for people to put flowers to remember those lost on September 11th. The sad thing is that of a campus of 50k + people, only about 100-150 people showed up. I have an idea why, but for the sake of morality, I'll keep it out of a thread for remembrance.
     
  7. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    I remember it being an absolutely gorgeous day - no clouds, 70s and sunny here in DC.

    I got everyone to go out and play frisbee even with all the craziness - its was a great way to release the anxiety....we'll be playing again today and it will be almost the same exact weather.....strange.

    D
     
  8. Raid macrumors 68020

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    MoxieMike, I agree with your entire statement. It's heartening to hear that some are aiming to make the world a better place. To truly make the world a better and safer place, we (I say we in the scope of the human race) need to put thought into our decisions and question the actions of those who would protect us at the cost of our human rights. Or insult our intelligence when they tell us nail clippers represent a danger to the flight crew, or duct tape could save you from a gas attack.

    I didn't lose 'friends' in the September 11th attacks, but a month prior to the attacks (in my old job) I would talk daily to a few Cantor Fitzgerald employees (working in the WTC) and got to know them a little. I can't speak to how they would feel. But they all were sharp individuals and I'm sure they would question more than a few changes made after that fateful day. So in remembrance to them, and to honour the families that morn for their loss; I will not become passive to the trampling of rights in the name of the fallen, and do my part to make this world better.

    Raid
     
  9. Moxiemike macrumors 68020

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    Thank you. You know, the thing that scares me the most is that the American Government COULDN'T get away with this stuff if the population, on the whole, wasn't so apathetic.

    I look at canada-- less than 80% turnout for elections is a CRISIS. You guys have your stuff together so much moreso than Americans.

    Here? We complain and complain and complain and then 50% come out to vote and when he election gets fixed, they complain more and THEN you find out the complainers, by and large, didn't vote!

    But yea. back on topic, I remember looking at the way WTC went down and thinking "Doesn't really look like the impact of the jets brought the building down but more like it was imploded"

    And thinking that THAT was the most frightening thing that happened. That those buildings, coupled with some reported explosions heard near the base....makes me wonder if the planes were the REAL cause.

    It set me thinking in ways i've never thought before, and really awakened some questioning that most people don't even think could happen in America.

    Weird day. Weird day.
     
  10. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Um.. have you seen the engineering analysis of the collapses? The first tower went over slightly tilting because the first plane missed the structural core in the center of the building. The second went down nearly perfectly straight because the plane there impacted the core, blew off the fireproofing and heated the steel to plasticity. You've been reading too many conspiracy theories.
     
  11. Moxiemike macrumors 68020

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    Nah. Just reading factual evidence, physics reports, etc.

    So, where were YOU on 911? What did you think? Did you immediately think "saddam?" Talk to me
     
  12. Backtothemac thread starter macrumors 601

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    Please, KEEP the politics out of this thread. This is not what this thread was meant for.

    It is about rememberence. That is all it is about. It is about never forgetting that day.

    NOT ABOUT the politics of the US. KEEP IT OUT!
     
  13. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    I was on the west coast, just waking up to the pictures of the towers coming down. I knew it was a deliberate attack, but I remembered the lesson learned in Oklahoma City about jumping to the conclusion it was Islamic terrorists. Thus I reserved judgement about who I though was responsible until more evidence was presented.
     
  14. hvfsl macrumors 68000

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    If it wasn't 911 it would have been some other date or location, the Islamic terrists have been trying to blow up big buildings for ages, they tried to blow up the very tall tower in Toronto on new years eve 1999/2000 (I thinked its called the CN tower). Plus other tall and important buildings in the US.

    But what I don't understand is how people think the world will get better. Islamic terroism is just one in a long line of problems the world has faced through history. When the oil runs out or we stop using it, the Islamic terror problem will be over since they will no longer be able to get the money to fund it. But something else will take its place. In the last century the main problems were Germany + Japan + Italy, then Communism from Russia and China, now we have Islamic terror. The only way to make the world a better place is to radically change what people do. Maybe if people stopped stealling music of P2P systems, that would be a start.
     
  15. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Sorry buddy. I'm trying to keep to the facts here and not get political. This isn't the time for politics.
     
  16. Backtothemac thread starter macrumors 601

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    No, not you ;)


    I was arriving at work and when I walked through the door, everyone was huddled around the TV. They said a plane had crashed into Tower 2. My first thought was of my Uncle that worked in Tower 2, and an old college buddy that worked in Tower 1.

    My second thought, and statement actually, was that it wasn't a crash, that it was deliberate, and there would be more. Tom, my sales manager asked why I thought that. I explained that it was a clear day. A pilot could ditch into the Hudson. I said that my best guess of who would do it, and had the money to do it was Al Queada. less than 1 minute later, Tower 1 was hit.

    Sometimes being right feels rather badly.
     
  17. Foucault macrumors 6502

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    Las Vegas

    I was in Las Vegas during 9/11, and I remember it being the most quiet and somber moments I could remember. The casinos were literally silent. You couldn't hear the the pings of slots and the shuffle of coins. People were at the sports books, but there were no sport games on air, we were all watching the news. Some people cried, some people had their mouths drop down. Although it was a horrible tragedy, I think everyone in that room felt a little closer together as a humanity. There were tourists there from other countries, and they were just as shocked with the incident. They empathized with us. When the towers fell, it seemed as we all fell together on our knees. My generation has never felt this vulnerable, and it was a weird feeling to have. 9/11 is something that we will tell our children and grandchildren about...

    Here's my moment of silence....
     
  18. Giaguara macrumors 6502a

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    September 11, 1973.

    The democratic government of Salvador Allende is torn down, and Augusto Pinochet starts his dictature.

    That day the military airplanes bombed the presidential palace with an impressive precision. In the following terror thousands of people died (were killed). Many other simply disappeared, became "desaparecidos". In all the country concentration camps and torture roooms were built, and public execution became common. The dead became buried in mineral caves and in graves (?) without the stone. For seventeen years, the Chilean people lived in the fear that someone would come to knock their door at midnight, with the fear of becoming one day "desaparecidos", being suddenly arrested and horribly tortured.

    Still today the guilty are free and have not been made pay for what they have done.

    Commemorative 11th September

    more.
     
  19. tpjunkie macrumors 65816

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    Watching the towers collapse from 20 miles outside of new york is a terrible memory that I will carry with me for the rest of my life.
     
  20. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    I also stood up on my roof of my office building in DC and watched the smoke billow up from the Pentagon 5 miles away.....it was quite amazing. We had no idea what had happened at first, the initial reports were a truck bomb, but there was too much smoke and it kept burning for it to be a bomb....it wasn't until we got home that I found out it was a plane.

    And I don't want to start the discussion about the conspiracy theories on this - it was a plane - one of my neighbors and friend is a flight attendant and that was her normal flight (the one that hit the Pentagon) she had swapped the flight with a coworker just that morning. Talk about freaky! She had a take a bit of time off to come to terms with the fact that she would have died that day. I don't blame her :(

    D
     
  21. Baja2k macrumors member

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    Where was I .......

    Austin Tx. -- I had gone to work early that morning to work on a server. I had been in the server room for several hours when some of my coworkers started showing up. One of them asked me if I had seen the news. I walked to his desk to see what he was talking about. There I saw a picture of the first tower on fire. By the time I got back to my desk and brought up the same web site it was a new picture. This time with both towers on fire. What in the hell is going on??? At this point it's getting almost impossible to bring up web sites due to the complete saturation on the internet news sites. So we decide to bring a TV out of a conference room and turned it on in the break room. At this point we start hearing reports of planes over Washington and then the hit on the Pentagon. A plane unaccounted for somewhere over PA. It was horrific. And we all sat there and watched in disbelief when the towers fell. At this point my phone starts rining. It's my mom. She's worried about her sister and husband who are traveling home from Canada that day, but she doesn't know what flights, and we don't even know (at this time where the planes that crashed were from or where they were headed.)
    So now my entire family in Austin is trying to Reach my Aunt and Uncle on their cell phone. With all the Cellular traffic that day it was very difficult. We finally got ahold of them around 10:00 am Central Time. And we all had a sigh of relief. They were stuck in Canada but they were OK. No one else in our family was flying that day. My sister (who has always worried way too much) said what about Uncle Jason. My Dad's brother. He flies for United. Actually he runs the 757 simulator in Denver. He flies from time to time to keep his credentials. He got to pick the best flights Finally my mom decides to call Jason just to ease my sister's mind.

    She Calls and a man answers the phone. "Jason?" my mom asks.
    "Who is this?" the man says.
    "I'm Jason's sister inlaw my husband is Jason's Brother. Was he on one of those planes?" She knows the answer already by the change in tone of the mans voice.

    Captain Jason M. Dahl died on Flight 93 in a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

    The rest of my day was hell.
    At around 6PM that night, after getting alot of personal things taken care of, my dad and I started driving to San Jose, CA so my dad could be with his mother. I'll give a plug to the AT&T store at the corner of 290/Mopac. One of my tasks was to get a cell phone for my wife who was 7 months pregnant with our first child. I stop at that store but the door is locked(It's around 1PM). I see people inside so I knock. A lady comes to the door and says "We're closed." Because of the attacks they had shut down early. I explained that my Uncle was on one of the planes and that I'm leaving town and my wife is 7 months pregnant. She let's me in and hands me a new phone in the box. After taking the phone ID# off the side of the box, she says by the time I get it home it will work and if my wife has any troubles to call her as she hands me her card. That's it no signature, nothing. I was in that store all of about 2 minutes. So Thank you to them.

    It took us till early on Thursday afternoon to drive from Austin to San Jose.
    Once planes were in the air again my dad flew to Denver with his mother for the memorial. I drove. I met up with the rest of the family in Littleton, CO. After the memorial my wife joined me for the drive home. My Dad and mom flew grandma home and then returned to Austin.

    On Dec 22 my daughter was born. She weighed 9 lbs 11 oz

    9 -11 imagine that...............

    Sorry for the poor grammar. I still get a little choked up when I tell this story. And I really tried to keep it short for you guys.

    Regards,
    Alan Dahl
     
  22. Backtothemac thread starter macrumors 601

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    Alan, God bless you and your family. Your uncle was a hero. No way around it. Truely, those that know me here, know that I would trade places with him in a second if I could.

    I wish you and yours the best that Life can offer during this difficult time, and you and your family are in my prayers.
     
  23. themadchemist macrumors 68030

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    I was in a stupid advanced biology class. It was really dumb. My old AP Chem teacher, great lady, busted into the classroom, looking very dismayed. She told the advanced bio teacher to turn on the TV right away and see "what they are doing to our country." We turned it on, and some of the first words that came to my mouth were:

    "Osama bin Laden." It was almost knee-jerk. I had seen things about him a few times, but it was a name lodged deep in the back of my mind, lurking in the very recesses of my memory.

    But seeing those towers, his name popped into my mind immediately, and from there landed directly on my tongue...Kind of strange, really.

    I never thought Saddam, because as I've always said, Hussein has shown that he is not interested in doing too much meddling in non-Middle East affairs. He is concerned with seizing control of the Middle East & its oil, not with world domination or revenge against the U.S. or what-not.

    Such niceties belong to terrorists, not those that still have (had) a country to manage. Hussein's an evil guy, but never much more of a sword-rattler, where the U.S. is concerned.

    While tears didn't come to my eyes today, I definitely felt something, esp. during those moments of silence...Those long moments of silence...

    I agree with others, let's keep politics out of this thread, at least to the extent of attacking our govt. I'm all for that, and as others have seen, I'm one of the first to criticize, but there's always a place and a time. This isn't it.

    But yes, I thought 'bin Laden.'

    I was wondering something else. While I was horrified and disgusted by the attacks, I noticed another feeling as well. I am wondering if anyone else is brave enough to admit it. My friend and I were discussing it on Sept. 11, 2001. There was a sort of excitement coupled with the event, too. Maybe it was because it hadn't all sunken in yet, but all the danger and speculation of more attacks, etc., it was thrilling, like something that is very frightening and terrible but yet exciting...It was a guilty feeling, no doubt, but it was there.

    I wonder if anyone else felt it, as if you almost hoped there were more news, and more excitement. It's not something you really hope, but it's there, as if you don't want the adrenaline to stop pumping.

    I hate to admit it, but I felt some of this, and like I said, my friend did, too. It's a feeling I scorned, and it was much less than my feelings of dismay and anger and sadness, but it was there. Any thoughts? Did anyone else experience something similar?
     
  24. themadchemist macrumors 68030

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    Re: Where was I .......

    There is little I can say before a story like yours and a sacrifice like that of your uncle and your family.

    I can only offer my condolences, and wish you strength during this difficult time. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

    It's stories like this that really bring back the pain of that tragic event, but it's a pain we must always remember.

    These stories, I must say, are what negate and destroy that guilty excitement that comes from any sort of unexpected, horrific, tumultuous time...Sometimes, seeing buildings and planes crash doesn't bring home the reality of the tragedy. It's hearing from those who truly suffered that hits home.

    Thanks for sharing it with us.
     
  25. tpjunkie macrumors 65816

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    Did I immediately think "Bin Laden?"
    No.

    When I first heard anything at all it was right as second period was beginning so probably around 8:45 in the morining. I thoght it must have been some kind of accident. Then I got to a TV. Then we heard the pentagon was on fire, and people got really scared. Looking outside towards the east you could see the thick black smoke billowing high into the sky, where it remained for over a week later. The first tower collapsed while I was inside the school, but the second collapsed when I got to my house and could see the towers from my driveway...I had no idea who could be capable of such a thing.
     

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