Republicans: When you can't win, change the game

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Thomas Veil, Jan 26, 2013.

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    Thomas Veil

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    Looks like the Republicans are trying for that permanent majority again.

    A lot of people don't know it, but in the recent election Democrats overall won a majority of votes for the House of Representatives...yet Republicans still control it, all due to this same redistricting. As long as the majority party controls the district lines, they can game the system to their advantage.

    But this Electoral College change is a new one. I can see it happening in my state of Ohio too. Redistricting here has made us a very red state, at least as far as state government goes. An idea like this could get the approval of the Ohio statehouse and governor easily...

    ...and help create a more or less permanent Republican government in this country.

    This idea is obviously a conservative admission that they can't win on their own merits. It's also an admission that all this talk about changing, about not being the stupid party, is more about publicity and tactics, and not at all about changing their mindset or policies to better conform with what is best for the country.

    Big surprise there.

    Anyway, if this idea gets off the ground, it may very well be the next political ****storm, further dividing our country.

    The Republican party really knows no bottom.
     
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    And the sad thing is a lot of people probably won't look closely at this and think that it's making it more fair without realizing how gerrymandered the districts are. If they wanted to make it proportional then I'd support it, although I guess it could be good since if we start consistently having the loser of the popular vote win the election then it might motivate people to get rid of the electoral college.
     
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    This plan has been getting some blowback from Republicans across the country. Not looking good for passage in VA. anytime soon but then again, this is Gov. Vaginal Untrasound we're talking about here.

    As for gerrymandering, we need laws taking that responsibility away from politicians.

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    I don't know...

    Is the current system fair as it stands now?

    Look at my home state of PA....Virtually 90% of the state votes republican, yet is always delivered to the dems because of the liberal population centers of the philadelphia area and pittsburgh area shutting the rest of us out.

    How is that system any fairer?
     
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    ^ See mrkramer's post.

    As far as Virginia...well, that's something of a relief. But it's only one state. And even if the fervor dies down, I suspect the idea is too "good" to be kept down for long.
     
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    So you prefer this?

    PA. district 172 in 1992

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    PA district 172 in 2002

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    12th congressional district 1992

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    12 congressional district 2002

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    I simply do not understand how you guys can even pretend to a representative democracy when you indulge such blatant gerrymandering.
     
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    to be honest Im not even sure what I am looking at there...
     
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    If you want to make it "fair" you should ask yourself what the connection between congressional districts and voting for the president would be ?

    In order for it to be fair they should simply count all votes from that state and give electroral votes according to those percentages AND offcourse it should be done in ALL states.

    Wether such representive counting should be done state-by-state or for the full nation is another matter and I atleast can understand the reasons for insisiting on the state-by-state method (even if I don't aggree).
     
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    I would agree to it if we ban gerrmandering nation wide.

    The crap that goes on is a joke. For most of us our vote is worthless for congress because we are in such voter sinks/safe districts.
    This means that the representatives pander to their base because they are scared ******** of the primaries not the general. This made worse that the voters in the primaries tend to be the more extreme ends of the party.

    The congressional district I am in got a Tea Party nut case and as a whole not a large part of the district is a Tea Party but he won the primary and then won because it a rig district so the one with R after their name tends to win.

    He more or less has already said he does not care about anyone who does not vote for him making around 46-47% of the district that he represents that he is going to nothing for them.

    Yeah sorry this is a bad idea. Now I would rather see the president move to a nation wide popular vote over this bs.
     
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    Are you proposing that votes should be awarded based on geographic area rather than population?
     
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    Im saying the system is pretty ****ed....90% of PA votes red, yet has gone blue for at least the past 3-4 elections because of philly and pitt.

    If the situation was reversed, I wonder what the left would be saying...
     
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    rdowns

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    90% of what?
     
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    mobilehaathi

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    Lies

    http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/
     
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    I would LOVE to have Presidential elections decided on popular vote rather than electoral. Not as a Democrat, but as someone who wants a more representative democracy.
     
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    that should more tell you that PA voting districts are ****ed up. Sorry but a majority of PA votes blue but they are massively under represented in congress.

    damn those facts pointing out your right wing lies.
     
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    Maybe out votes should count based on how much tax money we send Washington.
     
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    we are still waiting for your real response to the above post as it was already explained what it was.
     
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    Wouldn't that mean that most votes in the hardline "red" states would be thrown out ?



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    p.s. most stupid idea, but was implemented in a 3-class voting system in Prussia during the reigns of Kaiser Willi 1&2
     

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