Rock n' Roll rebirth

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  1. dswan34 macrumors newbie

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    Things seem to be looking up in the world of rock with bands like Coldplay, Audioslave and now Zwan. Among a few others. I just want to see the thoughts of people on a non-music based forum. Please discuss....
     
  2. dswan34 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Staight down the ****ter for a while, starting in the late nineties.
    Now the rap/rock thing seems to be dieing off same with the influx of blink 182 look alikes. Next thing you know creed will be exposed for the repeatative trash the keep churning out.
     
  3. alex_ant macrumors 68020

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    My opinion is that rock & roll will be in the ****ter as long as Clear Channel and Cumulus are steering its course. Coldplay and the Strokes and U2 and so on are keeping it alive, but the spirit is not the same as it was in the 60s or even the early 90s. Even if rock & roll music were better than it used to be, it would still be "worse" because the magic has been sucked right out of it. There's no more waiting in line to snap up the latest Zep album at 12:00am now that the internet is here. Nobody really cares about rock & roll anymore. The mystique has been drained from it. It's now a cliche, a big joke, ruined by one too many indie rockers in tight-fitting secondhand clothes. (I don't think bands like Blink 182 or Alien Ant Farm ever were rock & roll. Just because they had guitars doesn't mean they were. They were always more like clowns to me.)

    I will always revere the power of the Les Paul and the Marshall stack, but now that we have cheap Les Paul copies and Marshall sells a solid-state full stack for barely over $1000, there is little left to be fascinated by. I'm fascinated by the Beatles, but I'm not fascinated by the bajillions of bands who try so desperately to be as good as the Beatles and fail at it.
     
  4. Choppaface macrumors 65816

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    he he, I remeber looking for the stroke's album in stores, and I was pretty surprised to find that they were a current band
     
  5. jefhatfield Retired

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    as a guitar player since 76 with great guitars and amps and cheap stuff at the same time, the gear has very, very little to do with the music

    i will take the beatles using silvertone instruments and 30 watt fender practice amps before i will take some of the music i hear today with mesa boogie stacks and paul reed smith guitars

    the urgency of rock today cannot match the revolutionary rebellion of the 50s and the youth movement of the 60s...that time will never happen again with that freshness like elvis, chuck berry, beatles, stones, motown, etc
     
  6. scem0 macrumors 604

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    Ive been listening to an awful lot of trapt lately. I strongly
    recommend them. Zwan ain't all that great in my opinion.
     
  7. ELYXR macrumors regular

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    I agree with Alex_Ant ... I saw Pearl Jam in 1991 in a 500 person capacity ballroom at UMASS. Everyone was packed in ... this was before "Alive" even hit MTV... it was a beautiful experience. I live in Seattle now, the local music scene is like living in a mental ward that over-prescribes sedatives. It needs a jolt, BAD! The problem is that the corporate entities have gotten too clever... they prune the garden way too early and way too often... they are addicted to cash flow and they understand how to spin the paradigm like a night in a Vegas casino... if you know what I mean. :rolleyes:

    Anyway, MP3 file sharing is karma coming back to haunt them... it's hip, it's legal(?), and payback is a bitch! :eek:
     
  8. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    Coldplay is just the best! i think they really are one of the few bands out there that is truly innovative with their style. another one, i think, is radiohead. i can't wait to see what they dish out for us this summer.
     
  9. krossfyter macrumors 601

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    everything is cylical. rock goes in and it goes out and and so on. but yeah like jethatfield said.. there wont be a time like that of the 50s and 60s....but the energy i believe is elsewhere. innovation and rebellion like that are elsewhere. there is nothing new under the sun though... but people just think there is. i dont know... i think U2 brought rock back. if you go back and read some of Bonos stuff in early 98 or so defintley when rap rock was getting huge youll find out that that was his goal. to get "real" rock back on the charts.

    anyways... its all relative right? someones got to pretend to make absolutes about it.


    well... i was at best buy the other day considering buying the new queens of the stone age album and the new dredg album. can anyone tell me if they are worth it?

    ill probably get them somehow. but i just want to see if anyone else has them out there and thier opinions on it.
     
  10. dswan34 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I meant to put a ? with the subject of this thread. Cause it still is very up in the air as the following states.

    Orbit Nine Main >> Articles >> Music Review

    Zwan - Mary Star Of The Sea
    Reviewed By: Eric

    Score: 9.5/10

    I really wish I could confidently say that Mary Star Of The Sea is guarenteed to be a big, popular album, because from end to end Zwan's debut is an absolute joy to listen to. Out of fourteen tracks, thirteen are utterly brilliant, and that one slacker, 'Ride A Black Swan', has a quick enough tempo and dynamic enough guitar work to keep me from skipping it most of the time.

    It's hard to believe that Billy Corgan is behind the bulk of the songs here because, his distinctive voice aside, there's none of his archetypical angst, misery, or lyrical challenge. The last vestige of angst wafts in through the door of 'And So I Died Of A Broken Heart', and then disappears into a haze of love, God, joie d'vivre, and tongue-in-cheek statements like 'Baby, I'm the greatest thing you've got.' In fact, I think if you were swap him for Matt Sweeney or David Pajo on vocals, you'd never know the Great Pumpkin had any hand in this.

    Okay, okay... I take that last line back, there are a few classic Corgan moments here: 'Endless Summer' is the easily counterpart of 'Muzzle' or 'Rocket', and the title track cut from the same epic-length cloth as 'XYU', 'Starla', 'Silver****', or any of the other standard-issue Pumpkins long-players. Those aside though, the remaining songs are clearly influenced by a more democratic songwriting process within Zwan.

    For example, David Pajo's guitar noodling with Slint and Tortoise have their payoff here. His experience with texturing brings out the best in the band's three guitar lineup, and only he could have been responsible for the gorgeous interlude in 'Jesus I / Mary Star of the Sea', or the wonderful surprise appearance of the harmonica in 'Come With Me'.

    Paz Lechantin, a defector from A Perfect Circle, brings confident bass-work into the mix (hear the intro to 'Settle Down' for an example), and is a lovely vocal counterpoint to Corgan's love-it-or-hate-it singing.

    Matt Sweeney's probably more to blame for Zwan than anyone else, a point he'd agree with if his interview on the companion DVD is to be believed. 'It's my band,' he says there, between coughs into the microphone, and who's to argue with him? It was he who tracked Corgan down and got the ball rolling after all, and his slightly off-kilter guitar style influences every track on the album in some way.

    And don't even get me started on Jimmy Chamberlin.

    The man's possibly the best drummer I've ever heard. Fills, solos, rock-outs, straight-forward stuff... the man is incapable of missing a beat, and that's live. On this album he's in full force, tapping and hammering out some seriously complicated stuff with an effortless grace that's clearly a God-given talent.

    All that being said, it breaks my heart to think that nobody will ever buy this album. Oh sure, the fans will pick it up, and maybe a few former Pumpkin fans who weren't able to forgive Billy for betraying them with all the scary 'depth' and 'complexities' that made Adore and Machina such rewarding, if commercially lukewarm, works, but as radio-friendly and warm as Mary Star Of The Sea is, it's probably going to share Machina's exquisite bargain bin. For all the pop trappings of the songs tapped for singles ('Honestly', 'Lyric', and 'Settle Down'), the world just doesn't want Zwan. It's not in the mood for happy music about God, faith, love and warm, buttered toast... it wants bitches that'll back that ass up.

    It's strange when I think about it: it's as if we're living in a bizzaro world 1977 where we've got 50 Cent instead of Disco and The White Stripes instead of Punk, and Zwan instead of Glam Rock. The Bald One may have been right all those years ago about rock being dead, because in ten years I think Rock may be to music in general what Metal or Industrial are to Rock currently: obscure subgenres whose time in the spotlight has come and gone a long, long time ago.

    It's no matter though: brilliance is still brilliance, irregardless of its potential for commercial success.

    'Come with me again,' Billy says, and I galdly fall into step.

    9.5/10
     
  11. taisoo macrumors newbie

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    i've been unimpressed with zwan's debut also. pretty boring stuff.

    the new queens of the stone ages album's probably one of the best mainstream rock albums of late.

    and coldplay's ok, but they still don't hold a candle to radiohead. not even close.
     
  12. krossfyter macrumors 601

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    ive got the zwan album. i like it. its definitley not like smashing pumpkins... well because its zwan.

    i see it for what it is. and it is beautiful.


    ive also got the audioslave album. i think its a great album. im just glad cornell is rocking out again. and im glad that some of rage is rocking out again also. if i cant have soundgarden or rage against the machine back.. this will do.
     
  13. jefhatfield Retired

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    does zwan have billy corgan in it?
     
  14. medea macrumors 68030

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    yes it does, and for that reason I probably wont listen to it, his creditability is gone as far as I'm concerned....but maybe there is a chance.

    "I'm quitting my band because of britanny spears...boo hooo....."
     
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    Tragically Hip

    Another band you guys should look into. They are a Canadian band and have some really good stuff. 'New Orleans is Sinking' is a really good song. Also the new Pearl jam record is great.

    I am pretty sure U2 has sold out, they aren't rock anymore. They pump out the same mindless drivel that Creed does. They climaxed with Joshua Tree and have been trying to get back to that. Thats the problem these days, the record companies want the artists to play what sells, and what sells is what they did last time. So no new music.

    Record Companies are going to kill music in general.

    ~altair
     
  16. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    have any of you guys heard of Sparklehorse? i was listening to them this weekend, and i thought they hand something rather unique and visionary going.
     
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    right on man.

    rock on.

    oh, im also listening to a lot of oasis for some reason...
     
  18. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    Oasis? they are a curious band. i have heathen chemistry and what's the story morning glory, but most of it strikes me as not too great. some of the songs, though, are really cool. wonderwall is an all-time favorite of mine.
     
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    i'll agree that they are a bit odd.

    i lived in england for a while.

    every oasis song takes me back. man i miss living there. i guess everyone's got their own personal reasons for listening to different bands.

    morning glory is a fantastic album. i haven't listened to heathen chemistry yet.
     
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    yeah, i have to say, i like their untitled track thing. heathen chemistry just wasn't nearly as good. i don't think there are even any songs on it i liked in particular. Morning glory had like 3 incredible songs, and everything else was at least good enough.
     
  21. krossfyter macrumors 601

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    what you smoking dude!?!!?! lol

    U2 hasnt sold out. U2 doesnt pump the same mindless drrival over and over. freakin most of thier albums dont sound the same. "all that you cant leave behind" doesnt sound anything like anything they have done. in my view and or opinion they keep on pumping out new sh*t... re inventing themselves over and over. they are one of the very small limited few bands that started in the 70s and are still around that has been creating new sounds. thier new album hit it about as high (or close to it) as the Joshua Tree. Name a band thats kicked some serious a*ss twice and has been around that long.... not many. U2 is a great band.... and they are up thier with the beatles, led zepplin, kiss, rush, etc. etc.
     
  22. job macrumors 68040

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    wonderwall!

    simply amazing.
     
  23. krossfyter macrumors 601

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    cool man. yeah ive got most of oasis's albums... except for thier newest one. and yes "whats the story morning glory" was by far thier best album... in my opinion.
     
  24. krossfyter macrumors 601

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    got link?




    what kind of music is it?
     

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