Rumor Roundup

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  1. macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001
    What is known:

    This coming Tuesday, Apple invites you to the unveiling of a breakthrough digital device, (Hint: it's not a Mac).

    What is rumored:

    iPod -- can be synched with the computer using a high-speed cable connection that allows consumers to download their music into a portable system, which can then be accessed by either a car or home stereo system. -- Wired Article

    iPod, a portable hard drive for music that will feature a firewire connection for extra-fast data transfer. - HitsDailyDouble

    Apple apparently is not planning to introduce a portable MP3 player, but something more sophisticated such as a component for a home digital stereo system - CNet

    Per MacOS Rumors, the device may utilize a combination of acquired/dormant technologies including Raycer Graphic's GPUs, InkWell (hwr recognition), and/or Gigawire. As well, integrating the work of the iTunes and Quicktime teams.
  2. macrumors member

    Oct 17, 2001
    Scammonden, UK
    Come on Newton

    I want a NEWTON!! PLEASE!!!

  3. macrumors 6502

    Apr 13, 2001
    how about a Newton running NOSX (made up mini-OSX) which runs iTunes?
  4. macrumors newbie

    May 29, 2001
    I would love to get a post-Newton-PDA that connects wirelessly via an airport base station, features MP3 playback, works as a digital camera, has a mobile phone built in and so on...

    The supercomputer miniturized!!!

    I cannot wait to see it with my own eyes tomorrow on!!!

  5. macrumors member

    Sep 4, 2001
    Everything rolled into one...

    This device may or may not be an 'iPod', but the word 'iPod' has definitely been registered within the last week or two. A look at the trademark details revealed at ATMOSS (Australian Trade Mark Online Search System) might shed some light on what this 'iThing' is.

    A few key words from the trademark list: "electronic handheld devices for the wireless receipt and/or transmission of data, particularly messages, and devices that enable the user to keep track of or manage personal information; character recognition software; apparatus for recording, transmission and reproduction of sounds; telephones..."

    The list goes on and on (and on) and some of the elements in the list make for interesting reading/thinking. Yes, perhaps we've seen all these things before, but AS SEPARATE DEVICES. Apple's strength lies in revisiting previously bungled concepts and wrapping them up in a package that not only works, but is easy to use.

    Imagine a PDA that connects wirelessly to your lap/desktop and is always synch'ing between the two so that both machines remain synchronised, it does all of this wirelessly and intelligently.

    It is essentially an easy-to-carry extension of your main hub/computer, i.e. the computer is the hub, not this new device. This device is an extension of your data-hub that allows you to be un-tethered from a sill-fairly-heavy-to-carry-around laptop.

    It is a phone, a PDA, an .mp3 player, a data-hub all rolled into one. It's the 'rolling into one' bit that is the breakthrough/groundbreaking bit.

    Consider this scenario: Every morning I pack my bag to go to work, into it I put: a G3 laptop, a Palm, a CD player, a mobile phone and a few magazines, etc. It is HEAVY and everything RUNS OUT OF BATTERIES all the time because I can never remember what needs re-charged. I get on the bus and I can't decide: do I want to work on my laptop, read the news on my Palm or just listen to my stereo?

    Now consider this alternative scenario: Every morning I pack my bag to go to work, into it I put: one iPod. It has everything on it, it is LIGHT and it DOESN'T RUN OUT OF BATTERIES all the time because I can manage to get my brain to remember to recharge it (and only it) every night.

    I'd buy this, no question. If only to save my poor brain from the nightmare of packing my bag every morning.

    Trademark details follow to save you looking at the above link...


    ATMOSS - Australian Trade Mark Online Search System

    Word: IPOD

    Lodgement Date: 02-OCT-2001

    Class/es: 9, 28, 38 <- This bit gives you context for what 'it' is... (see below).

    Status: Indexing Approved

    Apple Computer, Inc
    1 Infinite Loop,
    MS : 3TM, Cupertino,
    California 95014

    Goods & Services

    Class: 09
    Computers, computer hardware, computer peripherals, hand held computers, personal digital assistants, electronic organisers, electronic notepads, apparatus for recording, transmission and reproduction of sounds, images, or other data; magnetic data carriers; mobile digital electronic devices, telephones, computer gaming machines, microprocessors, memories boards, monitors, displays, keyboards, cables, modems, printers, videophones, disk drives, cameras; computer software, prerecorded computer programs for personal information management, database management software, character recognition software, telephony management software, electronic mail and messaging software, paging software, database synchronization software, computer programs for accessing, browsing and searching online databases, computer software and firmware, namely operating system programs, data synchronization programs, and application development tool programs for personal and handheld computers; electronic handheld devices for the wireless receipt and/or transmission of data, particularly messages, and devices that enable the user to keep track of or manage personal information; software for the redirection of messages, Internet e-mail, and/or other data to one or more electronic handheld devices from a data store on or associated with a personal computer or a server; and software for the synchronization of data between a remote station or device and a fixed or remote station or device; computer hardware and peripherals

    Class: 28
    Games and playthings, namely, electronic games, hand-held electronic games and apparatus

    Class: 38
    Communication and telecommunication services, providing access to web sites on the Internet: delivery of digital music by telecommunications, providing wireless telecommunications via electronic communications networks, wireless digital messaging, paging services, and electronic mail services, including services that enable a user to send and/or receive messages through a wireless data network; one-way and two-way paging services...
  6. macrumors member

    Oct 17, 2001
    Scammonden, UK

    From the information I reacon we are going to see somekind of a "PDA"


  7. macrumors 6502

    Apr 13, 2001
    Handspring announced the "Treo" to compete with the Blackberry. I almost thought this would be my purchase to replace my cell phone & Visor Platinum.

    If Apple releases anything like this, I know where my money is going. Thank God they may release soon as I was about to drop $400 on the Treo.

    Apple, oh Apple, shake the world tomorrow!!

    Macosrumors reports:

    According to reliable Infinite Loop sources, Apple's groundbreaking new Digital Hub device will employ at least two of Apple's most secret technology projects that we have speculated on for some time. Notably, Apple's purchase last year of Raycer Graphics, a company that creates GPUs (Graphics Processor Units) for embedded and handheld applications is apparently key to this and several other of Apple's forthcoming Digital Hub devices. Low-cost, low-power graphics for this device will reportedly be provided by a GPU unit that may be embedded within a larger System-On-A-Chip architecture that will be at the core of the device we're expecting on Tuesday as well as future Digital Hub products from Apple.

    Additionally, Apple has been working on handwriting recognition/pen-input technology called InkWell and a new, high-performance version of Firewire (IEEE 1394b) that will be called Gigawire. Neither of these latter technologies is confirmed to be employed in the device we'll be seeing on Tuesday, but both are key to the Digital Hub strategy and will be heard much more about in the not-so-distant future.

    Damn, I am so excited about this. If it's even 1/2 of what we think... Apple is about to get a big infuse of $$$. And I'll be among the first to run to the Apple Store and slap down the plastic!
  8. macrumors member

    Oct 22, 2001
    Maybe a wearable computer


    1. Apple still has the best operating system for handhelds (NOS)
    2. Apple still has the best HWR
    3. Steve Jobs is always liked Sony which gained the required momentum to be a giant selling walkmans.
    4. Current handhelds are ill-to-use and need a better screen (which is not possible in the frames of current size-factor) and better HWR (Apple has one)
    5. Current wearables are ill devices, trying to be the handheld and the PC at the same time.

    I'll bet on wearable computer, that has:
    1. one-eye gogge, one can see through.
    2. Eye-movement recognising input for surfing and reading (as some Canon cameras have)
    3. Text input as normal PDA-s
    4. some kind of the low-powered Airport connection
    5. expandability
    6. simulates palmOS if needed
  9. Guest

    What about project Grinch??

    I read on another board that Apple was making a PS2 emulator. Maybee it is a portable wireless PS2 emulator....that is a cell phone....and a PDA.....and an MP3 player....with handwriting recognition....with a base station that is the cube.
  10. macrumors member

    Oct 17, 2001
    Scammonden, UK
    What it is, from CancomUK


    I have just been told my Cancom UK (prev MacZone) that it would be useful for me at home, but no use to me at work. :(


  11. macrumors member

    Sep 4, 2001
    Looking again...

    I'm looking again at the trademark overview/list above and the following looks extremely compelling:

    " for the redirection of messages, Internet e-mail, and/or other data to one or more electronic handheld devices from a data store on or associated with a personal computer or a server; and software for the synchronization of data between a remote station or device and a fixed or remote station or device..."

    The concept that your existing computer is your hub and that this (or some soon-to-be-revealed) device uses a combination of push/pull via AirPort to keep things synchronised is extremely compelling, but exists already - to a degree - with the current Mac/Palm set up. The question is: what more will this offer?

    Perhaps it's an expanded-but-still-portable PDA? Imagine a device that allows you to surf the web/listen to music/write emails/etc. from you lounge while your TiBook re-charges in the dining room/studio.

    Airport is compelling precisely because it renders your (T)iBook wireless, but how often has anyone been working happily away in the lounge when the following dreaded alert hits:

    "Your PowerBook is running low on batteries, you have 10 seconds before you need to abandon wireless working and plug a power lead in or lose all your work..."

    That's hardly working wirelessly, so - thinking differently - what's the solution to this problem...
  12. macrumors newbie

    Oct 18, 2001
    XM Satellite Radio

    it's not mp3. it could include a tivo like recorder. it could be portable. it's kinda revolutionary. hmmmm.
  13. macrumors member

    Oct 17, 2001
    Scammonden, UK

    By that do you mean its not an MP3 Player??

    I think it is either an MP3 Player or a PDA/Mp3 Player.


  14. macrumors regular

    Jul 9, 2001
    If It's a set-top box.....

    Imagine for a minute, that like Arn siad, It's a set-top box connectected to a component stereo and TV that plays MP3s stored on your computer through the stereo, while broadcasting iTunes visualizations on your TV. Could this device also receive and broadcast dvd's that are played on your computer? I'm not sure what data transfer rates are required to move dvd signals.

    If it's wireless, I think Apple will definately release Airport 2. The existing is just too slow. Also, it has a measely encryption and is not secure at all. A friend recently purchased an iBook with an Airport card. The airport card was a new one with 128 bit encryption. To my knowledge, the old ones weren't like that, and the current bases don't have 128 bit encryption in them.

    Any thoughts?
  15. macrumors member

    Oct 22, 2001
  16. macrumors member

    Sep 4, 2001

    I'm surprised no one else has commented on the mass of information at the iPod trademark page in Australia (encapsulated above).

    This is information that can't be faked; you just can't slip a trademark application in somehow and, more importantly, applying for and maintaining a trademark isn't exactly the cheapest process in the world.

    There are a whole array of (product) avenues here which are much, much more than a straight up .mp3 player - set-top or otherwise. Doesn't that catch anyone else's attention?
  17. macrumors newbie

    Oct 22, 2001
    Amsterdam, Netherlands
    Hello all,

    My first post to this forum.

    It might be old news but here we go: try in your browser. It points to and might be relevant. I looked up the registration info:

    Record last updated on 22-Feb-2001.
    Record expires on 24-Nov-2001.
    Record created on 24-Nov-1998.

    Not very new. Well, it might be nothing...

    What would be the best place to hear the news first? Apple news would be good but isn't there a live feed or other site that reacts faster? Which site should I visit and reload 10 times a minute to get the news first?

    Bye, Boris
  18. macrumors member

    Oct 17, 2001
    Scammonden, UK
    To Bomega

    I advise you to use, pressing Refresh is quite quick.

    If you goto:

    it is basicly a frame for, but it updates every 20 seconds.

    Any use?


    Guy Wickenden
  19. macrumors 68020


    Sep 18, 2001
    Denver, CO

    I'm seriously skeptical of the idea that it will be a handheld. One reason I've heard that we might never see an Apple handheld, and will almost certainly never see one called "Newton" is that the Newton was Dr. Gil's baby, and Steve therefore has no interest.

    However, I really think that, if nothing else, Apple should take note of the HUGE amount of Newton-related speculation. Whenever Apple mentions a new mystery product, practically everybody leaps out of their chair, screaming, "IS IT A NEWTON???" That in itself should tell them something.

    There is, unfortunately, an immense technical and logistical hurdle involved in providing the functionality of a MessagePad in the form factor of a Palm (which has become a de facto size standard -- people won't accept bigger), particularly at a price people can afford (which was one of the biggest problems with the Newton).

    I want my shiny new color MessagePad (in Titanium, perhaps!) as much as anyone... but I don't think it's happening tomorrow.
  20. macrumors 6502

    Apr 13, 2001

    could this new hardware be a junction between the internet & a portable mp3 player using iTunes somehow (in the base unit)?

    internet == > airport ==> iPod ==> mp3 player

    You simply sync at will within the airport network? Use an iTunes radio station & listen all day on your mp3 player?

    seems feasible, but not that earth-shattering. maybe that's the problem. we ALL want a Newtonian device... but perhaps the time isn't ready (the market for normal PDAs sucks - and the profit margin for Handspring and Palm is like $0.50 per item.)
  21. macrumors newbie

    Oct 22, 2001
  22. macrumors member

    Oct 17, 2001
    Scammonden, UK

    Since about the beginning of the newton, has pointed to

    It was last updated in Janurary.

  23. macrumors newbie

    Oct 22, 2001

    Shows you how much I've been paying attention... must be a case of wishful thinking!

  24. Guest

    less than rumored?

    "Coming this Tuesday: Component for stereo systems. Connects to stereo as would a CD player. Mac owners use iTunes to purchase music and/or download music for free. The Mac wirelessly sends the downloaded music to the stereo component using Airport. This leverages the following Mac-specific technology: Airport, iTunes, QuickTime, iDisk infrastructure, Mac OS. Ties in to affluent and thriving marketplace of music enthusiasts, home theatre hobbyists, and traditional "Mac Faithful"."

    i think this is a little more reasonable a rumor... but he is staking his reputation on his word! :)
  25. hir
    macrumors newbie

    Oct 22, 2001
    what this is

    Sorry guys, this new apple product will not be a handheld or anything portable. It is essentially a tivo with a superdrive that runs a special variation of iMovie and cd/dvd burner.

    i'm only writing this because the release is tomorrow and i'm hoping this leak won't be as serious in the eyes of apple legal or mr. jobs himself. that's about all i'm willing to say right now. we'll all see tomorrow for sure anyway.
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