Safari 4 Beta: UI Disaster

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    I'm not a fanboi or anything, but I LOVE the new look. The tab style is very practical as far as I'm concerned and I love the way it looks and feels. In fact, I like it BETTER than Chrome.
    Yes there are glitches as with any beta release, but overall i'm sticking with Safari 4 as my primary browser.
     
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    I'll admit, I don't like the new tab title bar combo, using a mouse, it's fine, but when using a trackpad, I find it a bit too difficult to select a tab, it's too easy for Safari to think I'm trying to drag the entire window around.
     
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    Agreed - no reason for them to be in the title bar. Looks fine where it is - makes sense and you can easily see at a glance what tabs are what and how many are open.

    Rather than having to focus on the title bar and then checking.

    Use CMD+SHIFT+[ or ] to switch between tabs, much more efficient and easier when you get second nature to that command.
     
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    Woah he really didn't like those new tabs did he.
     
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    I personally love it.

    Title bar is otherwise wasted space.

    10/10 from me for Safari 4!
     
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    This article is a joke. Just because the tabs are moved Safari is considered a UI disaster? Give me a break! The guy can't even spell or punctuate correctly in half of his "article." More like a piece of garbage.
     
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    The only real problem I have with the new tab bar is that I sometimes forget I have multiple tabs open and I'm always looking to where the tab bar used to be. I don't love the look of it, but it makes the whole application's UI take up less space and that's a good thing.

    I'm more concerned with the way Safari 4 renders things. It makes the browser feel sluggish, even on my 8-core Mac Pro.
     
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    This article is the reason I stopped caring about MacBytes.

    Yeah, a few people have their panties in a twist over the new UI. I can't count the number of times I've seen it happen.

    Apple does something new, some fanboys hate it. Then they eventually like it, and eventually we all love/accept it (a handful hold on to their grudges though). Then Apple does something new again, and the cycle repeats.
     
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    Of course some won't like it. Because people don't like reluctant to change once they are used to something. But without change, there's no progress. Personally I see it as logical putting the tabs up there. I don't mind either way.
     
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    I personally love the new look.

    I've been waiting for Chrome to come out but seeing as Safari's UI is basically a rip off of Chrome's, I'll be sticking with it.

    Who said Apple doesn't copy? They do it well when they do though, which is fine by me...
     
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    It probably went down like this, at Apple:

    - Hire a "user experience" expert
    - "Expert" can't come up with anything new, so copies some ideas from Google Chrome and Opera
    - Developers resist but management insists on listening to the expert.
    - Safari 4 beta is released and gets terrible reviews.
    - User experience expert moves on to destroy another product somewhere else

    :)
     
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    Sweet, cheers for that, I'm sure I'll eventually get used to doing that.
     
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    In all reality, it's likely that Apple didn't copy from Chrome due to the amount of time released between them; they changed how the title bar functions on 3 operating systems and that takes a lot of time.
     
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    I prefer Control-Tab.
     
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    I'm enjoying my Safari 4 experience throughly, this guy is a joke!
     
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    I'm getting used to tabs up-top. No problems selecting, dragging or closing tabs.

    But it does break one behaviour I'm used to: I never minimise windows using the - yellow button at the top left. I always double-click the title bar no matter what the application. Whilst Safari 4 does indeed minimise a window when double-clicking the title bar/tab area, it also unfortunately makes whatever tab I double-click the active tab.

    So, unless I double-click the same tab that I have active, I get an inadvertent tab-switch when trying to minimise the window via a title-bar double-click.
     
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    Well I have to admit that I am not a huge fan of the tabs on the top, looks "messy" somehow. Also really missed the blue bar so have changed those back via terminal.

    I think the easy option would be to allow them to be changeable via prefs in Safari. This would please all!
     
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    I don't have a copy of Safari 4 Beta kicking around just now, but I thought that there was a preference that allowed you to change back to the old look / behaviour?
     
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    Yes, because Apple have absolutely no experience in UX or product design. They don't know how to make fluid and intuitive interfaces. I mean, just look at Windows and that Zune thing. Wait, was that Apple?

    I like the new UI. With the bookmarks bar disabled, the window chrome is tiny. More space for viewing. It actually feels like one of those specialised web browsers like Fluid that only provide minimal UI, except that Safari is a fully-featured browser.
     
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    Great article. Couldn't have said it better myself. :)
     
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    By moving the tabs to the title bar, you seem to get a little bit more space for viewing your web page. It did take me a a little time to get used to, though.
     
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    It's not a disaster, but usually Apple interfaces are designed to be simple as possible. This seems to be designed for power users. It's easy to forget as a computer enthusiast that most people just browse one site at a time.

    Safari Pro?
     
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    Tabs being in a different place is taking some getting used to, but I never particularly liked where the old tabs were, I just got used to it. I prefer where the tabs are now I just have to get used to it.
     
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    I love the new tab option, however when I have 8 or 9 tabs I can't see all the titles, would be nice to have a hover option to see what tabs are opened (title of pages you have opened).

    As for the ones complaining, I'm sure apple will have a classic skin you can switch to.
     

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