Scott Forstall Reportedly Forced Out of Apple

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Earlier this evening, Apple announced a major change up in their executive management. Most notably, Apple Senior Vice President of iOS Software Scott Forstall will be leaving. Forstall moved over to an advisory role effective immediately, and will ultimately depart Apple in 2013.

    As Senior Vice President of iOS Software, Scott Forstall has been a prominent public figure at Apple. He was originally recruited to NeXT, Inc. after college and came to Apple with Steve Jobs after Apple's acquisition of NeXT in 1996. He has been on stage numerous times during Apple keynotes to demo the latest iOS features. Forstall was even profiled as Apple's CEO-in-Waiting back in January. That article, however, was a not always flattering look at the executive who reportedly had many clashes with others at Apple.

    More recently, there was described to be an internal political divide in Apple about the use of skeuomorphism, the inclusion of certain ornamental elements in a product that are carried over from previous tools addressing the same task for which the elements were required for functionality.
    In light of the shakeup, Jonathan Ive is now taking over Apple's Human Interface teams.

    DaringFireball's John Gruber believes that Forstall was forced out of Apple:
    Inside Apple author Adam Lashinsky agrees with that sentiment and also cites the Apple Maps issue as a reason for his demise:
    Lashinsky is referring to a public apology posted by Apple CEO Tim Cook about iOS 6's Maps. The Map app in iOS 6 replaced Google Maps with Apple's own proprietary solution. After a significant amount of criticism after iOS 6's launch, Cook wrote an open letter apologizing to customers about not meeting expectations.

    Update: The Wall Street Journal confirms a similar story with their sources.
    The article also reiterates that Forstall clashed with others at Apple. One source even said he was difficult to work with and "never fit into the culture of Apple".

    Update 2: NYTimes also has a similar story:
    Article Link: Scott Forstall Reportedly Forced Out of Apple
  2. gmanist1000 macrumors 68030


    Sep 22, 2009
  3. Zwhaler macrumors 603


    Jun 10, 2006
    I was pretty shocked by this announcement, but in hindsight it really isn't that surprising, nonetheless I'll be buying an Andriod device after using iPhone for 4 years :S thanks Forstall!
  4. Pakaku macrumors 68000


    Aug 29, 2009
    Skeumorphism is a good thing: It makes you appreciate good design ;)
  5. hanksmith macrumors newbie

    Oct 3, 2012
    We won't miss ya! :D

    Sir Ive, we are all excited for what you'll have for us in iOS 7
  6. sbrhwkp3, Oct 29, 2012
    Last edited: Oct 29, 2012

    sbrhwkp3 macrumors 6502a


    Jul 17, 2005
    Lake George, NY
    I don't think Steve would have apologized about Maps, either.

    I think he would have fiercely defended it and stated why it's way far beyond anything google maps was at its inception and that it's only going to get better.

    My guess is Forstall felt the same way.

    Either way, I'm looking forward to Ive UIs.
  7. ouimetnick macrumors 68020


    Aug 28, 2008
    Beverly, Massachusetts
    I actually liked his keynotes.

    Besides from that, sure he had issues with the UI, but what about the code that us under the UI. Maybe they could keep him for the coding, and have Ive do the UI design? A waste of time was how the volume slider and time slider change reflection when the phone is moved.

    He also seemed overly excited about small things too.
  8. parapup macrumors 65816


    Oct 31, 2006
    Ugh. No. There will be mass exodus from Android after skeumorphic widgets, launcher shelf etc gets released in Android 5.0.
  9. balamw Moderator


    Staff Member

    Aug 16, 2005
    New England
    My guess is he still has a non-compete in place that would prevent him from working in the same field for a direct competitor for a while. He'll probably do something more like Tony Fadell. Work on something completely different for a while like Nest.

  10. sphoenix macrumors regular


    Apr 5, 2008
  11. reputationZed macrumors 65816

    Mar 9, 2011
    34°55′42″N 80°44′41″W (34.
    Hopefully skeuomorphism gets kicked to the curb.
  12. Bathplug macrumors 6502a

    Jul 12, 2010
    Now they can get rid of the crap colour changing status bar in ios 6.
  13. steveOooo macrumors 6502a

    Jun 30, 2008
    (UK) Hampshire / London
    Finally, the vomit-tastic mess that is Game Center. / podcasts can be rectified...

    Lost count the amount of times I've thought to my self 'wtf is this' when game centre forces itself on you like jimmy s :D
  14. erhock89 macrumors newbie

    Oct 29, 2012

    I am definitely happy that John Browett left. But Forstall, not so much. Yes, I do hate the old fashioned calendar, but how do we know as the public that Forstall hadn't been part of more than just the design of those specific apps?

    I feel like forcing someone out for doing a job that Steve Jobs wanted them to do is not something that Apple should do.

    Just my thoughts...
  15. The Phazer macrumors 68030

    Oct 31, 2007
    London, UK
    He certainly would have tried that. And then he would have apologised after it made things worse.

    Just as happened with Antennagate.
  16. Apple... macrumors 68020


    May 6, 2010
    The United States
  17. ouimetnick macrumors 68020


    Aug 28, 2008
    Beverly, Massachusetts
    Steve sided with Scott. Steve supported skeuomorphism. If anything, Scott would still have his Job is Steve was here.
  18. patientzerobeat macrumors newbie

    Oct 29, 2012
    Today I learned that there's a word for what I absolutely HATED about some computer UI design: Skeuomorphic. That this scourge can be identified by name, and that a large proponent of it at Apple has been fired, gives me great optimism about the future of Apple software.

    Like most things, a tiny bit of it is OK (like having a little picture of a metronome in the metronome button in Logic), but it's gotten way out of hand (not so much in Logic though).
  19. koban4max macrumors 68000

    Aug 23, 2011
    Whhaaatt?:eek: you can't be serious. What makes you think Ive can do make a better ios? Did he have any background in that area?
  20. jyen macrumors member

    Oct 29, 2012
    Let's not forget that Steve Jobs was forced out of Apple before too.

    Perhaps we'll see the second coming of Scott Forstall?
  21. lannisters4life macrumors 6502

    May 14, 2012
  22. rei101 macrumors 6502a

    Dec 24, 2011
    Sorry, but the Maps issue is something to blame on a quality control process drive by the Project Managers, not a single person.

    There should be quality control points in productions and reports.
  23. CausticPuppy macrumors 65816

    May 1, 2012
    Realistically iOS 8 before we see any major changes.
  24. appleguy123 macrumors 603


    Apr 1, 2009
    15 minutes in the future
    I actually liked him. He was weird in the keynotes, but you could really tell that he loved the products.
  25. RoelJuun macrumors 6502


    Aug 31, 2010
    I think we'll here less 'it is THE best way to…' during the coming keynotes.

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