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Senator Sends Letter to Tim Cook Over Touch ID Privacy Concerns
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It's only hypocritical depending on what Franken's stance on the NSA is.
There are quite a few people in the house and congress who are NOT happy about PRISM in the least, and have been actively fighting against it. The problem is, there are slightly more senators and reps who are just fine with it, so nothing can be done from their position.
If you don't think they can get your fingerprints off that GLASS if they really want them you are kidding yourself.
You are mixing security with privacy. Fingerprint doesn't provide no privacy whatsoever.
There is one thing you didn't read out of the lines from Apple's description -- that Secure Enclave actually belongs to NSA, and NSA prohibited Apple to access it in the generic method, only for the two methods NSA approved (unlocking the phone and iCloud account identification). On the other hand, NSA has free access to the whole thing, including all of the other GPS, M7 data on the phone.
The senator just want to find out whether there is any remnants the regular US government could also lay some hands on.
I was going to say if you have physical access to any smooth object the user has touched you have their fingerprints (and you get DNA with that as well!). In how many movies/tv-shows do they get the perp's prints by handing him a glass . It's way easier to simply dust the object and take a picture than crack apple's encryption and reverse engineer the fingerprint if you have the object.
You might want to pay more attention when you claim someone is wrong.
I logged in just to post what a joke franken is. Others have already posted what I feel. franken just wants to know why Apple isn't giving him the data personally. And if they don't he's going to pissed and start a witch hunt.
It's really different. When NSA can get the fingerprint data as well as the GPS data plus the M7 data in *REAL TIME*, it's an endless power it has on you when an official of the NSA wants to enforce you into something.
A fingerprint doesn't provide any *security* either. At most it provides identification. It doesn't provide authentication *or* authorization (the other two aspects of security).
I'm surprised there wasn't a PS along the lines of "Oh, and by the way, how can our guys from the NSA get access to the fingerprint scans- it'd certainly make their job easier?.."
Has Starbucks already issued a statement that they don't take fingerprints
from coffee cups?
... I don't believe them anyway.
With everything that is being done right now,
your phone calls tapped, voice analyzed, face photographed,
emails read, internet traffic monitored,
why should you be concerned about the very unlikely event that your
fingerprint could be reconstructed from a hash.
I don't think you can define this as "collecting". Collecting would indicate a central database where a list can be accessed by Apple, NSA, etc.
Non Event
Al just wanted to be in print on this Apple Parade Day.
Back into the Milk Bottle Saturday.
Al just wanted to be in print on this Apple Parade Day.
Back into the Milk Bottle Saturday.
I'm pretty sure that the NSA can force Apple to upload fingerprint information to the cloud after all the hype around the Touch ID gets chilled down, as part of the patriot act.
If not now so with the next OTA update, and all they have to do is to change some small letters in some privacy EULA that nobody reads.
Since iOS devices exchange encrypted data with Apple servers 24/7, it will be really hard to detect, especially when the NSA probably got smarter after the scandal, and will only require Apple to grab fingerprints from selected UDIDs.
Personally I don't believe Apple when they claim they cannot get the clear snapshot of the finger and they just store a hashed version of it. You must have
the clear one to hash it in the first place.
If not now so with the next OTA update, and all they have to do is to change some small letters in some privacy EULA that nobody reads.
Since iOS devices exchange encrypted data with Apple servers 24/7, it will be really hard to detect, especially when the NSA probably got smarter after the scandal, and will only require Apple to grab fingerprints from selected UDIDs.
Personally I don't believe Apple when they claim they cannot get the clear snapshot of the finger and they just store a hashed version of it. You must have
the clear one to hash it in the first place.
Yes, I do. He is a true public advocate and looks out for the interests of every day constituents. He is a model senator. Look at his record.
My fingerprints don't need to re reconstructed from a hash. I'm in a business where my professional licenses require about 3 different entities to fingerprint me. They have had mine for 30 years. I'm more concerned with everything else you mention.
Also, if anyone wants to say "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about." I will
A) say thank you for sounding like my elderly mother
B) blast them in the face because that's missing the fracking point!
That is kind of the point. The NSA has been spying on us with the aid of "some companies".
Those being Google, Apple, and surely many others not as high profile.
Yes... if they decide to show up to my home, seize my phone and then fingerprint...... they can certainly get my prints. HOWEVER, going back to what I was ACTUALLY talking about... the iPhone touch sensor tech for the screen cannot read your fingerprint.
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You completely missed my comments didn't you?
Personally...
....I think "clown" fits most of the posters here better than Franken.
Most of these requests are to put the information on the record, with as few intermediaries as possible. I doubt Franken is as technologically illiterate as posters make him out to be....but a great deal of his constituents almost certainly are. Playing the illiterate and getting the answers on record is certainly of service to his constituents.
....I think "clown" fits most of the posters here better than Franken.
Most of these requests are to put the information on the record, with as few intermediaries as possible. I doubt Franken is as technologically illiterate as posters make him out to be....but a great deal of his constituents almost certainly are. Playing the illiterate and getting the answers on record is certainly of service to his constituents.
