"Sex Workers" Against GTA

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  1. greatdevourer macrumors 68000

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    "Sex Workers" (a.k.a. Prostitutes) have recently started fighting against Grand Theft Auto, saying that they need to take out the ability to beat prostitutes. They say it makes them look bad...

    http://www.gamespot.com/news/6144286.html

    Like these guys are advocators of moral values :rolleyes:
     
  2. Sdashiki macrumors 68040

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    OMFG hilarious.

    I dont discriminate when I play the game though.

    Cops, pimps, Elvis's, whores, old ladies, whatever moves Ill shoot it.

    before I retired Vice City I had ranked up 45,000 people killed.
     
  3. grapes911 Moderator emeritus

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    While I don't condone beating or killing prostitutes, maybe we/they should look at the deeper issue -- like getting rid of all the prostitutes or regulating it by law? I'm not sure which one is better nor do I really care, buy either sounds like a better way than the current one.
     
  4. Sdashiki macrumors 68040

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    whores have been around since the beginning of time.

    sex for goods
    sex for money

    sex is a commodity and always will be.

    prosititutes do what they do to make money.

    the fact it is LEGAL in some parts of america and the world tells you it is perfectly alright with everyone, we just have to hide it. and because of that, sex workers become whores who are to be shunned etc.
     
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    I think the fact that it's illegal in most of the U.S. (and world) tells you most people aren't alright with it at all.
     
  6. greatdevourer thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Contradiction Alert!

    You just said "it's OK with everyone", shortly followed by "you have to hide it or else be shunned". Which side are you on, pray tell?
     
  7. devilot Moderator emeritus

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    Just a thought... there are sex workers who do not in any way partake of intercourse or oral sex. Also, it's been shown that if the sex industry is legalized, then it is safe for everyone involved. Proper testing, documentation proving a clean bill of health, etc.

    My take on what Sdashiki said is that with so many people partaking of such services, the numbers indicate that millions of people use these services. And yet, because it is deemed an illegal act/service, they must then attempt to hide their activities.
     
  8. grapes911 Moderator emeritus

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    True, but their website seems to be specific to prostitution. I consider prostitutes as those who actually have sex.
     
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    I often go on shooting rampages thru miami and south california, and as a TEC-9 wielding, helicopter stealing, speedboat crashing and mob-boss-doublecrossing misanthrope, I find all aspects of the game misrepresentative and offensive!
     
  10. devilot Moderator emeritus

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    You're right that in this particular instance, 'sex worker' is referring to prostitutes.
    My point is, prostitution and much of the sex industry is illegal but it still happens. Same with drugs. It's been proven time and time again that making something illegal does not magically make the misuse of it or the existence of it *poof* disappear. If anything, more dangerous variations appear. Like during prohibition, 'moonshine' came onto the scene as did various 'alcohol' substitutes-- some of which proved fatal upon the user's first use. :eek: Same with abortion. When it is illegal, women go to unsafe lengths in dark, unsanitary situations to get dangerous abortions-- some of which still don't terminate the pregnancy, some of which terminate the life of mother and child.

    One day, we'll figure it out... that making something illegal doesn't make illicit use of it (whether it's a substance of a service) stop.
     
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    ^^ I pretty much agree with you. In most cases, I'm a fan of regulation. Testing, licenses, public records, etc could really make it safer. Then you tax the hell out of it. It helps everyone.
     
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    Does this make sense to anyone?

    We should just take beatings or shootings or making rude remarks out of all games because it makes people bad!

    If being able to beat prostitues makes them look bad, what does that say about being able to gun down the army? Oh they don't mind - they're supposed to be shot at.
     
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    "I make my living speading my legs for money, and I find it terribly demeaning that characters of my profession are projected with so little prestige in this game..."

    Real classy.
     
  14. Sdashiki macrumors 68040

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    Taxes to smash the Axis....

    Oh Disney where are you when we need some political Propaganda cartoons!?

    Sex industry = people who make a living from sexual pleasure (pornstars, producers, whores, dildo makers)

    Sexual pleasure = very personal opinion about what makes you aroused

    Aroused = very personal opinion about how you go about expressing your sexual feelings

    A Prostitute = someone who will try their best to make you aroused through your sexual pleasure

    The Sex Industry is bigger in the world than most imagine. Porn created the internet at large and has been the test market for almost every technology that has been seen as "entertaining".
     
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    Very well siad.
     
  16. Sdashiki macrumors 68040

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    there is nothing wrong with being a prostitute, the negative stigma comes from it being illegal.

    Just like marijuana.
     
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    So if murder became legal, it would be perfectly OK?

    Prostitution was looked down upon way before it was ever illegal.

    It's not that prostitution is illegal that gives it a bad stigma - having sex with multiple people, on a daily basis, for cash is trashy and immoral - regardless of the law.

    It's not trashy because it is illegal, it is illegal because it is trashy.

    If pointless random sex is all someone can provide to society, then perhaps they're better of not being a part of it.
     
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    The sex industry is huge. No one can deny that. But the topic at hand isn't the general sex industry, but prostitution and prostitutes getting killed in a video game.



    I don't think your analogy is a good one. I can't find anything morally objective about marijuana. I can find plenty wrong with prostitution. That being said, I don't think the government should be a moral gauge. Nor should a bunch of prostitutes have any say in what content is in a video game.
     
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    There's nothing wrong w/ being a prostitute if that's what s/he chooses to do (so I do agree w/ you on that).
    The reason why the union of sex workers are angry is because the game promotes violence against each other in an industry where the workers are already at constant threat of violence. As in... throwing fuel on a fire.

    Objectifying people is the first step in rationalizing violence against another.
     
  20. devilot Moderator emeritus

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    Then why are strip clubs legal? Then why are tube tops sold in children's apparel retail stores? Then why are thongs and g-strings sold? Mini-skirts? Bikini swim suits?
    That is offensive on so many levels. Do you personally know a sex worker? And if it was just 'pointless random sex' then why is the sex industry so huge and hugely 'successful?' Obviously sex is NOT random for millions of people and definitely not 'pointless.'

    Besides, just because you disagree with what people choose to do to earn a living, doesn't mean you should condone acts of violence toward them.
     
  21. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    Hell, on this board the fact that I'm a gun owner probably carries more negative stigma than if I smoked pot every day, even though gun ownership IS legal - it is a matter of personal moral values, political leanings and general outlook with many people.

    That's an interesting issue though...at present sex workers don't have the legal right to protest (I don't think...?), but it is food for thought. Just about everybody publicly cries out against the GTA franchise, yet the game continues to fly off the shelves...so those people who protest against it have their words fall on many deaf ears I think, since so many people own the game or bought it for their kids. I've played GT3 and committed various felonies in the virtual world, but I remain a respectable and good person in the the real world AFAIK. :)
     
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    Some trashy things become illegal, but not all. Being trashy does not always = being illegal, however things that are illegal do tend to be things viewed negatively, even if no law prohibited it.
    The only people who would find that offensive are those who've made similar decisions in the past, and take it personally.

    No, I personally do not know a sex worker, and that is not only be circumstance, but also by choice. If I met someone who was a sex worker, I'm afraid our acquaintance would not be continued.

    Sure, the sex industry is rather huge. Does that mean it is a good thing? If anything, it should be a glimpse into our current societal condition, and indication that change is needed.

    There are millions of people to whom sex is not pointless; married people having children, in love, etc.

    But, I have yet to see how random paid sex is a positive service to society.

    Agreed whole heartidly - I don't believe violence should be condoned against anyone.

    However, people who sell their bodies put themselves at risk before they ever gave anyone else the oppertunity to.
     
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    Yes, because a society that would make murder legal would not consider it immoral/bad. Most of our laws are highly influenced by our moral values (variable from country to country).


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    About beating up prostitutes.

    Yes it's a bad thing. They are intitled to any protection that their government/society can afford them.

    But this fight againt GTA is plain stoopid. GTA is an immoral game. Every layer of society, every age group, every community, etc. shoudl also be fighting because you can kill a cop, an old lady, somebody who looks gay, kids, hispanics, black people, white people, probably animals, etc, etc, etc. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


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    I think this thread is going to miracle its ass to the Political Forums. :p :p
     
  24. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    Not a bad observation...GTA is all about totally antisocial behavior, i.e. just about any "group" can claim that GTA gives them a bad image, because GTA paints our whole society in the worst possible light. It's against everything we consider "normal" societal behavior. But should we get rid of the game? does it cross the line between freedom of expression and causing trouble? It certainly doesn't make ME change my opinions of the sex industry and antisocial behavior in general, but I can't speak for the population at large.

    I still hold that violent video games might make violent people more violent, but it won't change a "normal" person's behavior patterns to a significant extent. In other words, GTA doesn't "make" criminals.

    A good guess.
     
  25. devilot Moderator emeritus

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    I'm offended and I have never paid for sexual services of any kind (although some could say even a manicurist could count and definitely a masseuse), nor have I ever worked as a such a worker.
    I don't know of any concrete facts or statistics, but just off-handedly, I figure one less sexually frustrated and potentially violent person who can be satiated through a service might be one prevented violent sexual act.
    That's my point. That should NOT be the case. Just because you do not morally think it is right to 'sell their body' does not give you the right to deem it acceptable that they are more likely to be hurt. Sex workers are still human and deserve to be able to live without constant fear of violence against them.

    Women, statistically are at much higher risk than men for becoming victims of violence-- whether it's sexual, domestic, etc. That said, just because I happen to be woman, does that mean I shouldn't be entitled to a life w/out the constant fear of violence? Just because being a woman put me at risk before I gave anyone the opportunity to put me at risk?
    That is very true.
    I agree. I don't think that the union will get GTA to stop the depictions. I'm just voicing my opinion of many people's view of the sex industry and sex workers.
     

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