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tkermit

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Launchpad for example; it could be great as a permanent desktop for one or several screens, with the ability to bring it into focus, as it could allow quick, visual launching without the need for the dock.

Let's go one step further: How about a simple pinch gesture to go directly into Launchpad. Or if you could configure a Hot Corner for Launchpad. Now that would be awesome...right? ;)
 

ThatGuyUK

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Aug 19, 2010
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Lion most definitively does not suck.

It's simply an attempt by Apple to be all things to all people.

Now highly cluttered with cleverly named modules like "Launch Control" and others, a game Apple plays well (creating clever names) Lion is nothing more than a new version of Snow Leopard with extra layers of fluff and what some might call "Eye Candy"... for a a computer professional these "improvements" are viewed as clutter.

These very "improvements" are time wasting add-ons that only slow down ones work flow due to the extra clicks that must be evoked to get many of the same tasks done, that one could do in Snow Leopard so much faster and easier.

Yet once again, I say it does NOT suck. And why? Because this is a brilliant attempt by Apple (just like glossy displays) to get the public to notice their product, be highly amused and buy it.

Nothing is quite as profitable as an impulse buy, and that is exactly what Apple is working for.

Take the "wiggling" and ever so fascinating (to a three year old) "apps" that bring the familiar iPhone "look and feel" to the desktop. Just compare the iPad type "look and feel" to some of the screen shots.

It's all a bit Toys R Us or Fischer Price, but hey! If it makes Apple more money, if it thrills the little boys that buy this stuff, then it's a runaway success.

Mark my words, the little boys will tap mommy's wallet and buy so many Lion equipped computers, and other gadgets that IT WILL BE A RUNAWAY SUCCESS. History has proven if it has an Apple logo slapped on it, get ready to stand in line.

I say, Apple... more power too you :)

Oh sure the blind followers will be the first to say "well you can turn if off" to which I respond.. How hypocritical is that?

The very followers that criticize Android because it's customizable. And now, here they are suggesting we spend our time turning off all this clutter, and crazy stuff added just to amuse the public?

How hypocritical... how totally hilarious :)

I know everyone has an opinion, and I'm more than happy to read people's opinion on Apple stuff, including people's criticism of Lion, but my God do you sound up your own arse. Do you really have to go on like this in every single thread?

I mean really, just read your comment back.
 

colourfastt

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Apr 7, 2009
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With iOS and Lion, which sadly has far too many components of iOS incorporated, there seems to be a conscious decision to bring computers to the level of kindergarteners rather than actual users.
 

benthewraith

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May 27, 2006
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Fort Lauderdale, FL
This is what I've been reading

Tell me this isnt true!

Major Complaints:
1) Not liking the changes to the Finder. Looks less organized.
2) Encountered issue with wallpaper. If running multiple desktops, wallpaper does not change thru Safari's Apply to Desktop. Have to save file manually and put it in wallpaper folder and change... for each desktop.
3) Safari... haven't found a way to disable reopen tabs on start. Would be very embarrassing to see porn pop up in class because I forgot to right click to close all tabs before quitting Safari.
4) When using LaunchPad, ALL of my Adobe uninstallers were included on the LaunchPad. Took a minute and a half to put them all in a folder.
5) Loved being able to assign applications to certain spaces. That behavior is now gone.
6) LaunchPad blurs wallpaper.

Likes:
1) Airdrop.
2) For whatever reason, I was having periodic internet dropouts with SL. I would be connected to an 802.1x PEAP encrypted wireless network, and ever so often, between 30 minutes or an hour, it would pretend like there was no internet. Downloads stopped and websites wouldn't load. Still had a valid ip the entire time. Would have to disconnect and reconnect to network. Does not do this under Lion.
3) For whatever reason, Safari and Youtube did not like each other in SL on my university's LAN. That behavior no longer occurs in Lion.
 

tkermit

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Feb 20, 2004
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With [...] Lion, [...]there seems to be a conscious decision to bring computers to the level of kindergarteners rather than actual users.

Do you actually have a feature in mind that they took away that was required for the user to efficiently complete a possibly complex task? Or are you just annoyed that the system might become easier to use? Just wondering.
 

archipellago

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Even Jesus Diaz, a self confessed Apple fan boy thinks Lion is a mess.

http://gizmodo.com/5819418/mac-os-x-lion-this-is-not-the-future-we-were-hoping-for

ends with...


I love Mac OS X. I've used it since the very first and painful developer preview, back in September 2000. I love iOS too, because its modal nature simplifies powerful computing, and, at the same time, empowers normal people. I hoped Mac OS X Lion was going to merge both perfectly. Sadly, from a user interface point of view, it has failed to achieve that. And by failing at this task, it has made a mess of what was previously totally acceptable.
 

benthewraith

macrumors 68040
May 27, 2006
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Fort Lauderdale, FL
I don't think this can be classed as a major complaint?!

Also what are these changes with finder that make it look less organised?

Perhaps it's just personal opinion, but:
leopard-finder-071008-6.jpg


finder_lion.jpg


I liked having the drives listed at the top rather than the bottom. Also, when I first installed Lion, Finder did not list my local internal hard drive under devices.

I'm still going to upgrade to purchase and upgrade to Lion as there does seem to be an improvement over Snow Leopard.
 

markrox7

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Apr 17, 2011
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3) Safari... haven't found a way to disable reopen tabs on start. Would be very embarrassing to see porn pop up in class because I forgot to right click to close all tabs before quitting Safari.

hahahahahhaah. true. that would sucks.
but you can disable reopen tabs at start of safari.
 

Sodner

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Jan 12, 2011
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Pittsburgh, PA
I've been using it for several days on my Air and iMac. On both it seems very fast and not one bug as of yet. In fact it seems to have fixed a problem with the wi-fi dropping out on the Mid 2011 models after waking from sleep. Sure the leather bound iCal looks a bit silly and some may not like the "natural" gestures. But if so turn em off, shut up, and move on. Really, so far "I'm lovin it!"

Lion will be a success and the masses will eat it up.

It's only those poor ignored pro users that will bitch (maclaptop). But hey he will buy another $100k of Mac Pro's as long as her gets to keep his precious "Mac" email address. :rolleyes:
 

stefan1975

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Apr 15, 2010
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Do you actually have a feature in mind that they took away that was required for the user to efficiently complete a possibly complex task? Or are you just annoyed that the system might become easier to use? Just wondering.

Spaces?
 

Cyacene

macrumors member
Oct 29, 2010
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Launchpad for example; it could be great as a permanent desktop for one or several screens, with the ability to bring it into focus, as it could allow quick, visual launching without the need for the dock.
As it is though I'm not sure it's really that useful, since you need to go via the Dock, which is kind of pointless when the Dock specialises in application launching.


Hmm, Im not sure this is correct. I believe that you can access launchpad with a 5 finger gesture from wherever you are. It does not need to be launched from the dock.
 

Icy1007

macrumors 65816
Feb 26, 2011
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Cleveland, OH
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Not true.
 

Stok3

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Jun 13, 2011
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Most of the negative comments are based around users not wanting to adjust to the new way of doing things. So basic answer is stick with SL if you like the current input methods bit if you're willing to change the way you use your computer than jump the gun and get Lion
 

iindigo

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Jul 22, 2002
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It's fine. I've been running the GM for the past few days and haven't found anything to really complain about. People are just absurdly sensitive to change for some bizarre reason (which doesn't make a lick of sense, considering the tech-dominant era we live in).
 
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Most of the negative comments are based around users not wanting to adjust to the new way of doing things. So basic answer is stick with SL if you like the current input methods bit if you're willing to change the way you use your computer than jump the gun and get Lion

It is not always that. I would like to upgrade to Lion (as I did since Panther), but the lack of proper Spaces is something I can't and will not adjust to, as I use 12 Spaces, and that is quite a hassle in Lion.
Sometimes new OSs just have one feature that breaks everything the user is used to and can't live without. They are often in the minority, thus Apple and others don't care. They still get the big bucks. And Apple is targeting consumers for a long time now, why should they care about users that are more demanding (often called "professionals").
Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard still works for me and others are still using Tiger or Leopard quite happily.
Again, just a minority, but they are there.
Hopefully not forgotten, but as it seems they are.
 

Saturn1217

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Apr 28, 2008
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Lion definitely does not suck

It just isn't IMHO better than SL.

So for the time being I'll be sticking with SL but at least I know that when I get a new computer (hopefully I'll be able to hold out until 10.8) I won't be totally screwed.

If Apple would just fix gestures in Lion (I want real customization and I want my application switcher gesture back!) and allow us to completely disable versions I wouldn't mind switching to Lion.

For those who are happy with Lion that is great. But the complaints about it are real. When I use a computer with Leopard (the operating system I started with when I first switched to Mac) I miss things about Snow leopard because it is a more refined operating system. When I finally gave up on the GM this weekend and returned to my regular SL install I didn't find myself missing any of the features of Lion. It is a sidegrade for me which is fine but I think Apple can do better.
 

jsfpa

macrumors regular
Oct 26, 2003
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I've been using it for several days on my Air and iMac. On both it seems very fast and not one bug as of yet. In fact it seems to have fixed a problem with the wi-fi dropping out on the Mid 2011 models after waking from sleep. Sure the leather bound iCal looks a bit silly and some may not like the "natural" gestures. But if so turn em off, shut up, and move on. Really, so far "I'm lovin it!"
:rolleyes:

What configuration is on your MBA (memory/processor) ?
I'm debating if I'm going tobe able to run it on my MBA.

Thanks
 

Stok3

macrumors regular
Jun 13, 2011
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It is not always that. I would like to upgrade to Lion (as I did since Panther), but the lack of proper Spaces is something I can't and will not adjust to, as I use 12 Spaces, and that is quite a hassle in Lion.
Sometimes new OSs just have one feature that breaks everything the user is used to and can't live without. They are often in the minority, thus Apple and others don't care. They still get the big bucks. And Apple is targeting consumers for a long time now, why should they care about users that are more demanding (often called "professionals").
Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard still works for me and others are still using Tiger or Leopard quite happily.
Again, just a minority, but they are there.
Hopefully not forgotten, but as it seems they are.

Sorry but Im a "professional" as you call it and also use Spaces on Dual Monitors, which creates a hassle in itself. I don't really see the issue but again this goes back to people not wanting to adjust to the newer way of doing things. But im sure there will another Spaces clone to fix this issue.

BTW I won't be upgrading my work machine until a at least .2 but i will upgrade my MBP at home.
 
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Sorry but Im a "professional" as you call it and also use Spaces on Dual Monitors, which creates a hassle in itself. I don't really see the issue but again this goes back to people not wanting to adjust to the newer way of doing things. But im sure there will another Spaces clone to fix this issue.

BTW I won't be upgrading my work machine until a at least .2 but i will upgrade my MBP at home.

Yeah, Spaces with dual monitors is quite sucking balls.
I use 12 Spaces regularly, and I use Exposé (All Windows) regularly.
If I would go with Lion, I would have to seriously relearn my work strategy, which might result in much better workflow, but as far as I have tried with different DPs of Lion, I don't know how.
I would have to comprise many applications, that are now split to different spaces and are multi window applications (Avid MC, DVDSP, PS, ...) to one Space and I have tried it. I may try at the end of the year, when I have more time to fully adjust. But as of now, Lion's implementation of virtual desktops is not for me.
12 Spaces sorted in three rows and four columns are much better to look at 12 Spaces in a small horizontal row at the top of the screen.

I know a lot of people who still prefer Windows XP over Windows 6 and 6.1, even if it might be better. Sometimes we have developed routines that are very good for us, and no company knows how I prefer things to be done, and they can seriously harm them with their new inventions, though it might benefit more people than it doesn't.
That is the way it is. Masses rule in certain areas, especially when there can be made money with.

Anyway, viruses rule.
 

jschmitt

macrumors member
Jul 8, 2011
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I laugh when I see someone saying: " ... it's Apple's Vista"
What exactly does that mean?
Could someone PLEASE explain it to me .... My guess is that you won't get halfway thru your argument before you realize how silly that statement really is.

I have another explanation however ...
a) Lazy journalism
b) tech news headline sensationalism
c) plain old, unadulterated, Apple vitriol
d) All of the above

Silly arguments and negative reviews were around at the same time that SL came out; "it's only a service pack", "Apple artificially exaggerates thy numbers of new features", blah-blah-blah

John
 
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