So I got my dual 2ghz power mac refurb, rev. b. came with two 512mb RAM for a total of 1gb in just two slots. But came with the original 5200 64mb vid card. That's ok. But it did not ship with Tiger!! They gave me panther and ilife 05. That's iT! So I called Apple and he said they should have included it and would tell the software people and they would call me back. We'll see. I'm really not liking having Panther, it stinks!! On another note, is the Geforce FX 5200 64mb enough for Tiger and all? I'd like a higher powered card if I can get one for not so much, maybe $150. Anything out there for me? Thanks, it's already so much fun having a Mac again, despite not having Tiger!