So the MBP C2D grainy LCD will be fixed with a BIOS update right?

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  1. mac000 macrumors 6502a

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    I've read that other laptops, ex. Asus, running the x1600 graphics card have had graininess issues fixed by a BIOS update (whatever that is). It is safe to say , any of us who have a MBP with grainyness on the screen will have it fixed by Apple via software update sooner or later?
     
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  3. mac000 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Oh ok, well then there will be an EFI update?
     
  4. aaron.lee2006 macrumors 65816

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    More likely it will be software and I think it is just the ATI drivers we are running.
     
  5. weckart macrumors 68040

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    As far as I can recall, the issues with the Asus laptops were do do with image noise (pixels displaying the wrong colours) rather than graininess as described in these forums. Graininess seems to be caused by excessive anti-glare coating applied to the screen. Hard to see how a firmware update will fix a hardware fault.

    Try attaching an external screen to your MBP. Still grainy? If not, I would not hold out for a firmware update in the near future.
     
  6. aaron.lee2006 macrumors 65816

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    I'm pretty sure we ruled the glare coating out a while ago.
     
  7. nyzballa12 macrumors member

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    Apple MAY fix it in a future update but I'm not sure...nobody here is. All we can do is wait
     
  8. iW00t macrumors 68040

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    Nope.

    Take a look at the 17", any grain? No?

    We have just ruled out a software fix, it is due to the choice of LCD panels. If you are holding out on your return in wait for some mythical pie in the sky potential EFI update from Apple, I suggest you return it first, wait for the fix, then buy a new one.
     
  9. mac000 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    well why have other Laptop companies that were using the x1600 and having graininess in the screen able to resolve the issue with a BIOS/EFI update?
     
  10. iW00t macrumors 68040

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    For one thing, PCs do not use EFI. Nope, not a single one. Even Windows Vista does not support EFI.

    And likewise, as I said, take a look at the 17" inches, are they affected by graininess as the 15" models are? Since they use the same GPU it pretty much rules out a software cause for the screen artifacts.
     
  11. whosgotsoul macrumors member

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    So does this mean that the 17" MBP is grain-free?

    If so, I may just fork out the extra dough for a 17" MBP...if the screen has no issues.
     
  12. ventro macrumors 6502a

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    When I hook up my MBP to my 24" Dell 2405fpw, there is very little grain.

    When I hook up my MBP to my 30" Apple Cinema HD Display, there is a enormous amount of grain (even more than the macbook pro)

    Macbook pro is a week 49, matte, 15".
    ACD is a November 2006.

    It is possible to "look past" the grain, but it is difficult. It is a lot like training yourself NOT to think about something.

    So in conclusion, it definitely has to do with the anti-glare coatings apple is using on their displays, and is not a BIOS thing.
     
  13. iW00t macrumors 68040

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    It is a lot better, but don't take my word for it. See it for yourself so you can believe it for yourself.
     
  14. teerexx52 macrumors 68000

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    In my opinion it is a much nicer screen than the 15". I had a 15" 2.33 C2d captured bt Apple which I replaced with a 17". The 17" in my opinion has a much better screen with little or no grain.
     
  15. mac000 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    that still doesn't explain why the fix worked for other manufacturers using the x1600
     
  16. buckwheat macrumors member

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    Or, you can switch to the 17" 233 glossy, it'll look like this:

    Credit where credit is due - they ARE trying. Believe me. I'll let you know when I see a decent one though, may be a few months
     

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  17. whosgotsoul macrumors member

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    Is the 17" screen true 8-bit? Or is it 6-bit with dithering?
     
  18. iW00t macrumors 68040

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    Because they are PeeCees, which in case you have yet to notice, are not Macs.

    Who is to say if the Macs had a buggy implementation of EFI to start with?
     
  19. djkny macrumors 6502

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    The LCD's on the MBP C2D's are poor in quality. Sell your MBP on ebay/craigs and wait for the next iteration. I did.
     
  20. iW00t macrumors 68040

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    /salute

    However the sad truth is the next iteration would probably be the same. The only reason Apple has to wake up from their ****ing ideas is when it starts to hurt their bottom line. With their cash registers ringing as loudly as it does now the voices of those unhappy customers would just be drown out in the background...
     
  21. commander.data macrumors 6502a

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    It's seems the first poster mis-spoke and everyone is feeding off of that. One thing that is true is that the granniness issue doesn't seem to be due to the EFI/BIOS.

    What has been proven by ASUS in co-operation with Intel and I assume ATI as well, is that the granniness issue is caused by the Video BIOS. While MBPs don't have a BIOS I'm pretty sure they do have a Video BIOS. ASUS has released new BIOSes for their X1600 models and they seemed to have fixed the issue.

    I'm not sure whether the MBP granniness issue is the same as the above, but I'm pretty sure that they are at least related. I'm of the opinion that the inherent cause is the Video BIOS and different screens exaggerate the granniness to different extents combined with some people being more observant than others.

    Anyways, here's to crossing my fingers that Steve Jobs is going to stand up on the stage in his keynote and open with "The granniness issue has been fixed!".
     
  22. iW00t macrumors 68040

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    Knowing Steve he will probably stand on stage and try to upsell new MBPs to us by using "No grain! Clean colour rendition!" as a feature and not something that should have been included in the first place.
     
  23. smueboy macrumors 6502a

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    Hah! They'd have admit there is an issue first wouldn't they?
     
  24. Craigy Boy macrumors member

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    Has every 15 inch Macbook Pro got a grainy screen or is just luck of the draw?
     
  25. smueboy macrumors 6502a

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    Mine looks great - i think it's the draw.
     

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