ChrisFromCanada said:EDIT: to the above poster this is not directed solely at you because you are correct this is not widescreen. But my point still stands. You don't need 1920x1080 for HD
Ohh you tell 'em! That sould be a sticky in the Digital Video fourum.ChrisFromCanada said:The official HD spec considers 1280x720 (Progressive) TRUE HD video!
dejo said:I read on news.com that this camcorder has a resolution of 1440x1080 (i.e. 1.33:1 aspect ratio) and therefore not widescreen (which would be 1920x1080) and not , as far as I'm concerned, "true" HD.
Not even. Its actually 960x1080. It gets pixel shifted to 1440x1080 and on playback, stretches the picture to 1920x1080.LethalWolfe said:It probably has a 1440x1080 sensor and interpolates that data into a 1920x1080 picture.l
Lacero said:Not even. Its actually 960x1080. It gets pixel shifted to 1440x1080 and on playback, stretches the picture to 1920x1080.
LethalWolfe said:It probably has a 1440x1080 sensor and interpolates that data into a 1920x1080 picture.
Lethal
Poeben said:The Sony cameras use the 1080i as other manufacturers use 720p, JVC and Panasonic if I recall.
The HD trailers from Apple, I believe, were shot using 1080p.
MacFan25863 said:Cool, but how much? I didn't see a price.
I would say $500 to $600 is the sweet spot for this type of thing.
LethalWolfe said:$1700
solvsProductSKU=Looks like it will be $2000 MSRP. ETA is late-July. I don't expect to see it lower than $1700-1800 for awhile. :( [/QUOTE said:Damn thats alot, i wonder how long before HD becomes standard.
asuidrok said:I'm sorry to have to be the one to break it to all of you, but all of these HDV prosumer cameras are not true HD quality. Mini DV only records so much data, no matter how good the camera is. True HD cameras are recording on DVCpro 100, [whereas a Mini DV tape is closer to 20]. This means that they are only recording 20% of the data a true HD camera records. So even though the size of the image is the same 1080 or 720, the quality of the image is not even close. I know...I was very sad to discover this too. However....the new panasonic HD prosumer camera that uses the P2 card does allow you to record true HD if you are recording to the P2 cards....The only problem is the cards arent that big and they are reeaallly expensive. It is the cheapest way to do true HD. [It actually uses the same HD codec as the Vericam, and allows you to switch between 1080 and 720.]
I for one, am eternally grateful for your enlightened post. It really makes sense. I was so dumb before, but you made everything clear.asuidrok said:I'm sorry to have to be the one to break it to all of you
RedTomato said:Where are the cameras that record to internal (camera mounted) hard discs?
Most of my studio shooting (for material in British Sign Language) is reccorded via firewire straight to my 15'' Powerbook hard drive anyways, no tapes involved.
When PB disk space gets low, projects are moved to my external drives.
I still use tapes for outside shoots, but a lot of the time, if I'm visiting a location, it's simpler to just bring my PB and record to that instead.
It's lovely to be able to sit with clients/ actors and instantly scroll through the entire footage one second after shooting stops. I can do rough edits, take out unwanted or unpermitted material there and then, with the client's help.
With shoulder mount cameras, surely there's lots of room to fit a 3.5 HD plus battery support for it.
(and what about a belt-mounted battery pack and drive array, attached to camera via FW400 or FW800
On consumer level cameras, a 100GB 2.5'' or a 40GB 1'' HD would go a long way (but please make them swappable!).
The bandwidth's there, the storage's there, the battery life is there..
End this tape storage madness please!
In 1983, I was recording onto tapes with my Acorn Electron, why am I still recording onto tapes in 2005??
[for US readers, the Acorn was kind of an earlier British 'education' version of a C64 or Sinclair Spectrum]
xoxo
Tomato
Toamto
asuidrok said:"It's a consumer camera. Do you expect it to perform on par w/a camera that costs 15 or 20 times as much?"
No, I don't at all. But....
Most people think that these prosumer cameras DO perform on par w/a professional HD camera. HD is HD right? Wrong. That's why I posted to clear that up. I think it is misleading for them to call them HD because the common everyday person thinks that they are going to get the same thing you see on HDTV.
Some of these cameras shoot native Widescreen and do give a better picture than a lot of Mini DVs..Which would be nice....Worth more then other high end prosumer cameras? Idk...
However....these cameras still record 80% less information on much cheaper lenses and half of them aren't even 3CCD....
I think you would be better off with a 3CCD camera like the GL2 than a 1 CCD Sony HDV. But that's just me.
asuidrok said:I think LethalWolfe is taking a very simple message way to far. All I was trying to say is HDV, or HD on MiniDV, is not the same as normal HD. This was purely to let people know they weren't getting a true, professional quality, professional bitrate, HD camera, before they throw away a few grand on something they expected to get.
Thats all. Stop confusing people with Numbers and Letters, as they mean almost nothing to most people.
It comes down to what you shoot, not tech specs off the internet.