'Spying' on your kids, necessary? Just?

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  1. MrMacMan macrumors 604

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    I saw a application that was just released yesterday on VersionTracker...

    I was shocked...

    The App seemingly was a keylogger, takes pictures of your screen and was completely hidden from the user using the computer.

    How did the author justify the product?
    Kids need to be kept a very close eye on.

    Seemgly based on his sad story as a child, he created a program to monitor kids so they 'cant get in trouble without you knowing about it'.

    I dunno, this really bugs me. I'm a pretty pro-peoples right to privacy... even kids. I think that parents have enought knowledge to know what their child is doing, and can ask them if they really think it necessary.

    With AOL putting more keylogger like features in their parental controls system, letting parents see who they are talking to and for how long. I believe how much power do the parents need over their children, can they not figure this out themselves?
    Do kids need to be videotapped at the computer and parents need to watch the videotape back later to make sure 'nothing is going on?'.


    Can't parents just trust their kids, ask them whats going on, what they are using the computer for instead of spying on them?

    --MrMacMan (if you really can't find the app on VT I'll link you, but you can find it)
     
  2. haiggy macrumors 65816

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    Spector? :rolleyes: Hehe.


    Edit: Oh, seems as if they have more than one of these programs. I believe you must be talking about "Spy on your Kids" then :p
     
  3. Phat_Pat macrumors 68000

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    i was also a little shocked by this product. The only place i could even see this to be necessary would be a school.

    but otherwise this is just wrong i mean this sort of acts as spyware or even a virus no? :confused:

    i would never use this on my [future] kids :eek: there comes a point where you just got to trust them....
     
  4. Roger1 macrumors 65816

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    You have to keep an eye on your kids. I let my kids on the Internet , but I watch them. But something like this would be a good idea. I don't think either of my kids would deliberately go to a "questionable" website. But if for some reason they unintentionally went there, with out my knowledge (say, I go in the other room for a few minutes) I would like to know what they looked at, and who (in any body) they communicated with. It doesn't necessarily come down to trusting your kid, or lack of. It comes down to protecting them from the inappropriate stuff out there.


    edit : clarification
     
  5. robbieduncan Moderator emeritus

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    I'm not sure that this app would be of any real use! For it to be effective as a deterrent then you would have to tell your kids that you were using it. To use it as suggested (fully hidden mode) then if you did catch your kids doing something you didn't like then you'd have to come clean that you had been spying on them.

    Can it tell the difference between my typing into TextEdit and typing into Safari? I think that it would be far more effective to (having told your kids that you are doing it) route all web traffic through a proxy. That way you'd know what site your kids are visiting without spying on every message they type (so they should not feel that there is too much of an invasion of their privacy). As they know you are doing it they should be less likely to go looking at stuff they shouldn't.
     
  6. Archaeopteryx macrumors regular

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    I think current parents are overly anal with their children and "the net". My g/f´s cousin in fact has to have "an adult" over her shoulder at all times to use the computer. This to me just seemes retarded and overly paranoid!

    I have been useing a computer with internet since the age of 10 (in 1990) and I can say I have never faced any "danger of the internet". Sure I looked at porn when I was about 15.. but thats normal.. besides the "dangers of porn" I dont really think any intellignent, or half intelligent child can get into trouble.. if they do, its darwins evolution theory at work...
     
  7. iLikeMyiMac macrumors 6502a

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    How hard would it be for the kid to shut off the program?
    For windows couldn't you just hold down the shift key when you boot up?
    For mac couldn't you just quit it from the activity monitor?
     
  8. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    Ah, but to put it on a coworkers machine - ooh, the possibilities :D

    Yeah, this software is a little over the top, pray on the paranoia. If a child has a history of abusing their use of the computer - doing things they've been specifically not supposed to do, I could see it being used. But its not something that everyone is going to want to use or feel comfortable using....

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  9. robbieduncan Moderator emeritus

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    Not if it's run as root (or any other user than yourself, a daemon process say) and you don't have an Administrator password!

    Much more likely is that it's an Input Method plugin. As it's now not a running process (it gets called by OSX to handle input) you can't kill it!
     
  10. haiggy macrumors 65816

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    They already have this on my school on the PC's (ugh). All you have to do is Control+Alt+Delete and quit some application and you can make your account a teachers account with all of their privileges. With the program they can see any user's screen they want that is logged into the network, or blank it (which then turns the screen black). It makes me very careful what I watch when I know they can see what I'm doing.
     
  11. musicpyrite macrumors 68000

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    I downloaded and installed the program just for the heck of it.

    Anyone, who is familiar with the Terminal or Activity Monitor could disable this thing in a heart beat.

    No worries here kiddies, you can look at all the porn you want. :eek: :p :cool:
     
  12. DanTekGeek macrumors 6502

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    My school has tracking software (of course). This is very disconcerting to me. Its not that I do anything wrong on the computer, but I feel like there are no controls on this. Apparently the admins can veiw what you are doing as you do it, as if watching over my shoulder. I feel this violates my privacy, when logging in to email and stuff like that. I know that its a school, but I still dont like it. If my parents ever installed something like that on my computer, I could never forgive them. Luckily, we have a very open and trusting relationship.
     
  13. haiggy macrumors 65816

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    That's not a problem for me since all the e-mail is fire-walled...
     
  14. Archaeopteryx macrumors regular

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    How would that kep some one with VNC from reading your email?
     
  15. MrMacMan thread starter macrumors 604

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    Nope, just logs the keys you are typing into its 'hidden log files'

    Sure, if they knew it was there... or what the name of the process it is.

    Fore sure, but you need to know that it was installed, for example not everyone opens up terminal or Activity monitor daily, or even weekly. (I do semi-daily)

    This can be terminated by the user, but thats not the point.


    Your point is invalid, the point is they could record what your typing, and save it once your finished writing your e-mail.

    Fire-wall or not, they aint hacking your system, they are recording the exact keystrokes.
    --MrMacMan
     
  16. Daveman Deluxe macrumors 68000

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    I think that if you suspect your child is doing something he shouldn't, their privacy is no longer an issue. That said, if you really don't think your kid is doing something wrong, there's no point in searching his room or monitoring his internet usage. Kids need to be respected by their parents, but they also need discipline. Use common sense. I hope to have children someday, and they're not going anywhere near the Internet when under my roof until I think they're mature enough to know what's right and wrong (and this will probably be different for each of my children). When they can handle it, the computer will be available in an area of the house that they can be kept track of (i.e. the living room). That's simply good parenting, as far as I know, having had no experience. :D
     
  17. *Y* macrumors regular

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    You know I think all of this is useless. Until the child realizes what they are doing is wrong, installing such stuff is useless. If somebody want to chat with someone they shouldn't or look at porn they can probably do it at their friends houses or other places.
     
  18. scem0 macrumors 604

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    Spying on kids is a form of babying IMO.

    Let them make their own decisions and suffer their own consequences.

    For example, my mother has always been very strict on computer curfews. When I go to college I won't be able to manage my time very well, and I will probably be up very late on the computer. I'll have to learn on my own whether or not staying up late is a good/bad idea. I'd rather learn that while I'm in a secure environment.

    scem0
     

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