Steve Jobs must be rolling over in his grave

Discussion in 'OS X Mountain Lion (10.8)' started by cep, Jul 29, 2012.

  1. cep
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    Who did Apple hire to head up Mountain Lion, The guy who headed up Windows Vista? It was released half baked, not even at beta levels. I bought into Apple 3 years ago, as I loved the simplicity of use. Everything just worked, you entered the mail questions to set up mail, your mail worked. You entered the info for Ichat it worked. Look at these message boards, Mail problems, iMessage problems, notification problems, dictation problems. Who did the QC, a monkey? Half of the touted features don't work right as IOS6 isn't out yet. Why put out the OS? Imessage doesn't push back and forth between my iMac, Iphone and iPad, but it looked great at WWDC. I had a password for my e-mail accounts prior to ML, when I opened mail I had to enter a password, that password allowed mail to filter through until I quit mail. That was a great feature that no one can tell me how to fix. Right now I cant even send e-mails through my iMac. The outgoing server formats are all screwed up.
     
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    Tander

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    iMessages works flawlessly between my iPad, iPhone and MacBook.

    Mail had to upgrade its DB before I opened it - but it is working as expected.
    Dictation works well - if you pronounce your words correctly.

    I think you're having issues from a bad upgrade?

    Try a clean install.
     
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    SlCKB0Y

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    This, or just plain old PEBKAC.

    I'm not having any of the issues.
     
  4. macrumors regular

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    Please remember that these boards are a small representation of the Mac community, and people are more likely to post problems rather than the fact that everything is working well.

    10.8, for me, is working well. It's fast, a lot more polished than lion and I've only come across a couple of small bugs so far.
     
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    alexreich

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    I haven't had one issue. All of my software has been working flawlessly, Mountain Lion upgrade, iMessage, speech-to-text, etc.
     
  6. cep
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    All of your iMessages that go to an Iphone number are coming to you computer?
    You are all OK with the no need for a password for your e-mails, or does yours ask for a password?
     
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    Tander

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    iMessage doesn't work that way bud.

    All messages sent to your Apple ID will sync across all platforms. Not to a cell number. Those messages will remain on the device. This is not a bug - it's the way it was designed.

    I see no need to have a password on my emails - that would irritate me. I have a system login password and that's good enough for me.
     
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    gr8tfly

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    You're quoting reports of problems as if you are experiencing them all yourself. The only one you seem to have is with Mail, and you can find probable fixes for those right here at MR - and they're most likely not unique to ML.

    As for message boards full of problem reports, you must have seen different ones than I have. Read the reviews, forums, blogs, etc., - you would know whatever you've seen are not widespread by any stretch of the imagination. Those with problems seem to be fewer than I can remember for any release in recent memory. Remember, typically only negative experiences get posted.

    The only feature I can think of off-hand as requiring iOS 6 is iCloud Safari Tab syncing. Hardly "half the touted features".

    For instance, on my Mac, Messages syncs perfectly between my Mac and iPad. In fact, I was remarkably impressed by the apparent lack of latency. Sending a message from my iPad showed up on the Mac almost before my finger left the Send button (and vice-versa).

    I believe I did have a minor hiccup with some notification, but it was resolved by disabling, then re-enabling it. They've been solid since (reminders, calendar, messages, mail, and even a 3rd party app (Etrefeed)).

    For reference, my install of ML was an upgrade of Lion, which was an upgrade to SL, which was an upgrade to Leopard which shipped on my Mac (Early 2009 UB MBP 17" 2.66GHz 8GB RAM 500GB Seagate XT). No clean installs between upgrades.
     
  9. cep
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    So, if you are set up with an Iphone way before Imessage was out for ipad and macs how are all of the conversations running on all of the devices?
     
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    Agathon

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    My iMessage and iCloud services work as advertised. They coughed and spluttered at first, but it's mostly OK now. I realise, however, that some people have had a worse time of it.

    Look, I may come off as a bit of a prat saying this, but you shouldn't install a new Mac OS on day one if you are risk averse. I've been a day one installer of every single version of OS X, and in most of those cases there have been odd bugs that usually get fixed with an update not long after launch. 10.0 made the iTunes music on my CRT iMac sound like the Chipmunks were singing it. That was an annoyance.

    Believe me, nothing in the ML update compares to the switch from .mac to MobileMe.
     
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    no problems at all on my mid 2009 mbp :) been working almost perfect since the DP1

    sounds more like user errors or "misinformed" in your case
     
  12. cep
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    The OS was in testing for months, maybe Im the only one(Im not, there was another thread besides my other one talking about the lack of asking for a password for e-mail)that wants to be prompted for a password. There is a lot of talk on these boards regarding the merging of apple ID and phone # so that the threads would carry from device to device to computer. That is something that shouldn't have to wait for IOS6 to implement. The WWDC conference shows the messages on all platforms. Maybe I am wrong to think that I should be able to have that feature on the OS as shown.
     
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    Am I the only one that don't understand what this guy means?

    Please elaborate.

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    Any iMessage to your phone number will only reach your phone. But if the person contacting you sends it to the e-mail address that you have set up in iMessages on your iPhone - it will reach any and all iDevice plus computer that you have set up to receive messages on that address.

    It seems like you don't know how it works, and because of that you think it's not working.
     
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    bushido

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    but it does work ... which i found rather annoying and turned off immediately.

    i dont see the point of having the convos from my mac being pushed to my iPhone or iPad, both would never sht up and keep beeping while i'm only gonna read them while im on my mac anyway.

    so what i'm doing instead is

    phone number for iMessage on my iPhone
    iCloud for iMessage on my iPad
    and gmail for iMessage on my Mac

    that way i dont get bothered by convos on each device while i'm only using one at that time anyway
     
  15. gr8tfly, Jul 29, 2012
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    Setup the iPhone to receive at your Apple ID in addition to your phone number. Notify your contacts to send iMessages using that, rather than your phone number. Setup ML Messages with e same ID. iMessage only works between iOS (and now ML Macs). You will still receive SMS messages normally on the iPhone; ML Messages doesn't support SMS anyway.

    Just double-checking myself, i found one (of several via Google) article describing the above: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-set-up-messages-for-mac-2012-7?op=1

    Additionally, you can initiate a conversation from the Mac to an iPhone using its phone number (iMessage capable iPhones only). Once the conversation is started, the iPhone user replies normally, as it would any other iMessage capable device.

    Edit: Ok, there could be one other feature that could require iOS 6: the merging of iPhone numbers and Apple IDs. I do remember that discussed, though I'm not 100% sure on the timing - it could happen when iOS 6 is released, or "soon" after. The current solution will work the same, essentially. Anyone capable of sending iMessages can use your Apple ID which can be setup in parallel with the phone number on your iPhone. The missing capability is being able to blindly send to an iPhone's phone number - the sender would still need to be on an iPhone themselves or another iMessages capable device. Messages sent to your number from any other device would still be an SMS - an iPhone only protocol (as far as iOS or OS X is concerned).
     
  16. macrumors regular

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    Let's not forget that with iOS 6, Apple is bringing the ability to unify your Apple ID and Phone Number so that iMessages sent to either are received at both.

    i.e. iPad and iPhone running iOS 6 - someone sends an iMessage to your phone number, your iPad will be able to receive that message as well, allowing for complete synchronisation of iMessage across all devices.
     
  17. cep
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    Playgear, I agree with you. There is no reason that Apple needs to wait for IOS6 to implement the combining of apple ID and phone #. I see it as imessage is part of the new OS, but its not setup as fully functional. I have people that message me on my iPhone via phone #, I dont want to start giving out my apple ID just so people can reach me on my computer.
     
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    Whilst this is certainly good news for me, who like having everything synced everywhere, it could be bad news for others. For instance, a friend is a happy camper, being able to use iMessage but still separate it so that messages sent to his private mail or phone number won't show up on the iPad which is used by the whole family.

    He just added an e-mail address in his Apple ID which he uses for the iPad, that is consequently used for communication with relatives and family friends. Those messages are also synced to his phone and computer.

    If it's merging, the question is whether or not it will be Apple ID-specific, or if it will just simply add the option of adding a phone number to the Receive messages at-setting on other devices than the iPhone.

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    You don't have to. You can create an @me.com alias on www.icloud.com and then add that mail address to your Apple ID and use it for iMessage.

    It would take you a few minutes to create it and change the settings, but after that you can tell people who are sending you iMessage-messages to use the new e-mail address you just created, for instance imessagecep@me.com.
     
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    Create another Apple ID and use it only for iPhone iMessages. You don't need to use it for anything else. In my case, my Apple ID is my email address, so they already have it.
     
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    matrix07

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    And it's one year too late. They should unify it once they allowed iPad Wi-Fi and iPod Touch to send iMessage. This doesn't even have to wait til ML or iOS 6, so I agree with the OP somewhat. I doesn't just work.
     
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    Why not just add another email address that people already know to the list of "You can be reached for messages at:"?

    Same list in Messages on 10.8 and iOS 5.

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    Don't get me wrong here, I'm not defending Apple ;)

    I, too, think this should have been implemented already, but I guess it's better late that never...
     
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    That would make it a bit easier. I was under the impression the email needed to be associated with an iCloud account (an alias, for example).
     
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    My iMessage doesn't sync properly either. Some messages show up, some don't.

    Also, PowerNap doesn't work as advertised for Time Machine backups on the rMBP. And yes I have the option checked, and yes I'm plugged into AC power. I also have the SMC update.
     
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    But do you believe in the heart of the cards!
     
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    I haven't had a single problem with ML. It hasn't caused any issues. In fact it's made things a lot easier to do. Sure, this OS isn't big on features but it's really stable and runs efficiently. It's really polished up.

    Maybe you installed something wrong. Did you do a clean install? If not then maybe that is the reason for some of your problems. Everything that you said you had problems with runs absolutely fine for me.

    Of course, it isn't going to be perfect for everyone. Not everyone has the same hardware, software, preferences etc. This can contribute to bugs/glitches and other problems. That's why people come on these forums to get help. In a perfect world nobody would post with any problems but what is perfect? Some people might have no problems at all and some people might have everything going wrong for them.

    I'd recommend backing everything up and doing a clean install. If you still don't feel satisfied then downgrade to your previous OS. Mountain Lion is only £13.99/$19.99. It's not a huge dent in your wallet. I personally would have paid double/triple for Mountain Lion.

    As for your title, it sounds really immature. As much as we all loved Steve, he's dead. Apple is in new hands now. Steve put Tim in charge and he's now running Apple his way. That's what Steve wanted. If Steve didn't want Tim to be in charge then he would have picked someone else and it's quite common knowledge that Steve told everyone not to think "What would Steve do?". We need to accept Apple is changing. Personally, I see nothing wrong with the way Tim runs Apple.
     

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