Steve Wozniak Believes Apple Has Fallen 'Somewhat Behind' in Smartphones

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  1. macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak said in an interview yesterday that Apple has fallen somewhat behind in the smartphone field, allowing competitors like Samsung to catch up.

    The comment was made as Wozniak spoke about the importance of brand (translated from the original German report by at the Business Week Best Brand Awards.
    The comments were, however, made in the context of his great pride in Apple and its products. Wozniak also explained why he stands in line at Apple stores to buy new products on launch days despite remaining an employee of the company to this day.
    Wozniak has never been shy in speaking about Apple, and while he has only very limited contact with the company today, he still draws significant attention at his appearances at events at Apple product launches. While he remains a fan of Apple and the iPhone, he has long been open to alternatives and has noted several times that he carries a number of iPhones and Android devices with him.

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  2. macrumors 68000


    Jan 30, 2008
  3. macrumors 6502a

    Jun 23, 2010
  4. macrumors 68020


    Sep 25, 2012
    He's still an employee of the company to this day?

    err... what is his job title? :confused:
  5. macrumors G5


    Jul 29, 2011
    Somewhere Back In The Long Ago
    I agree as well...A friend of mine was showing off her new phone...Lumia I think, compared to my IP5 it just looks more modern and up to date...It's not going to make me jump ship, but if Woz thinks Apple are behind, then maybe things will get done....Not much point in making the comment if they don't.
  6. macrumors 65816


    Jan 21, 2004
    For some reason, I can tell I wouldn't like this guy.
  7. macrumors 65816

    Apr 15, 2010
    Nottingham, England
    I think they have done in terms of software. Just so many small, nice features that Android phones (and Samsung phones) have. I remember when it was the other way around...
  8. macrumors 68020

    Dec 13, 2012
    Southern California
    I agree.

    Nothing is forever, now we'll see if Apple responds accordingly.

    I for one, hope they do.

    Yet I do wonder just what they're thinking these days.

    Dictating without the dictator... is a difficult feat to pull off.
  9. macrumors 65816


    Jul 10, 2008
    Whats the deal with everyone taking everything Woz says as gospel? He was instrumental in creating the original Apple computers but what has he done recently? Not much other than speaking engagements. Since the original Apples, he has done very little other.
  10. macrumors newbie

    Feb 7, 2013
  11. macrumors 6502

    Oct 18, 2011
    Northern England
    It's not that I take it as gospel - it's just that in this case, he is sadly correct.
  12. macrumors 68000


    Jan 30, 2008
    Agree totally.
  13. macrumors 6502


    Feb 19, 2011
    Unless iOS7 is something super revolutionary, I think Apple will sell the same sort of number of phones, or at least the number they sell each new generation, won't increase like it has the last few times, if that makes sense?
    I love iOS, but something new has to happen, just to distinguish itself
  14. macrumors 68000


    Aug 1, 2010
    In some ways, he's right. There are things on other phones that aren't on the iPhone. Apple makes great products that are, in some peoples' minds, missing features that other similar products have.


    1) I know Woz made the Apple II back in the day and that's his pride and joy, but what significant insight does he really have into the industry these days? What has he really done for me or Apple in the last 20 years? 30 years? I think he's looking at this situation like an extremely geeky user, not an every day joe. A lot of the reason geeks like Android over the iPhone is that you can mess with it. He might be looking at it from that perspective.

    2) Apple will release features when they feel it's the right time--not any sooner or later than that. Just because the tinkerers feel that something is "missing" doesn't mean that it's something most people would use.

    So in general, I would like to know what Woz would like added into iOS. He always makes these sweeping comments about Apple but never gives any solutions. He's no better than your typical forum poster/troller.
  15. jm001, Feb 7, 2013
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2013

    macrumors 6502


    Sep 19, 2011
    Do you have personal connections with him that you know what he is and isnt working on? Woz has never been the one to get into the spotlight and talk about upcoming projects. He may certainly be designing or helping design products (circuitry etc. ). Who knows but dont make some blanket statement that he does nothing except speaking engagements. There are many of us who dont think his word is gospel but rather he's expressing a thought many of us harbour.
  16. macrumors member

    Feb 23, 2012
    That is one the stupidest things Woz has ever said.
  17. macrumors 68040

    Bubba Satori

    Feb 15, 2008
    Because he has an opinion about smart phones?


  18. macrumors regular


    Jul 23, 2002
    gotta like Woz,

    loves Apple for the products but if they are not the best he calls them on it.
    Stay on you're toes apple, make the best product and i will buy it, don't expect me to buy it because it says apple on it.
  19. macrumors 68000


    Jul 1, 2009
    Certainly the competition has caught up to Apple and offered some viable alternatives. Whether or not they are better depends on your priorities.

    However, when Woz speaks my first reaction is to chuckle. The guy is all over the place. This is the same guy who said he would buy Facebook stock at IPO regardless of the opening price.

    It is interesting to listen to Woz, but if Apple had been under his leadership all these years it would be out of business by now. He has never quite "gotten" what the consumer wants and is willing to buy. He obsesses more about geeky technical details than anything else.
  20. macrumors 6502a

    Glassed Silver

    Mar 10, 2007
    Kassel, Germany
    Thaaaaank. YOUUU!

    Damn, Apple needs all the slapping in the face it can get. Seriously.

    Glassed Silver:mac
  21. macrumors member


    Mar 30, 2011
    Oh yeah, they indeed have fallen behind. Software even more than the hardware, iOS is just lacking innovation for years now. Android on the other hand has made some real astonishing progress, especially with Jelly Bean. iOS simply has become so boring.

    I'm right now on the edge of replacing my 3GS and I never hesitated for one second that my next phone is gonna be powered by Android.
  22. macrumors G4

    Chupa Chupa

    Jul 16, 2002
    This column in yesterday's WSJ compared Apple to the way Ford allowed its competitors to catch up with the Model T, forever eroding its marketshare dominance.

    Woz isn't the first to notice Apple all but giving Android a free pass, but he might be the most influential, at least in the geek world. Apple needs to do three thing to maintain leadership:

    1) totally revamp iOS, not just incrementally update it. The interface has become over simplistic and clunky at the same time. I'd like to see a way to better organize and also true multi-tasking. iOS multi-tasking is dumb, I don't care that Jobs said it was the right way. It's not.

    2) Get cloud services right and also bundle a usable amount of storage, not a joke of a 5GB, with every iOS device, or at least offer 5GB per iOS device, not account. And grant customers use of the storage for two years or replacement of the device (by purchase, not warranty). If a customer doesn't want to upgrade after two years they can then pay $x for a years worth of storage.

    3) Apple has long suggested iOS devices are the future, not Mac OS X. OK then, start selling them like computers with bi-annual updates rather than annual ones. Everyone else does this, it's partly what makes iOS devices look stale 9 month in and then sales dive b/c people are holding off till the next release.
  23. macrumors 6502

    Jan 26, 2006
    SLC, Utah
    I'm starting to get tired of Woz's desire to be in the spotlight 24/7.
  24. macrumors 68020


    Dec 9, 2008
    Hill Valley, California
    "The Wonderful Wizard of Woz"

    Seriously, I'm also confused by this. He is an employee, yet he has "only very limited contact with the company today". Huh?
  25. macrumors 65816

    Jul 17, 2009
    Der Wald
    Without being specific about what precisely is "better" or "worse" between two comes off simply as "my Dad is better than your Dad" type drivel.

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