Stray Plane Forces Capitol Evacuation (AGAIN)

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  1. evilernie macrumors 6502

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    Another one.

    I'm not a pilot and I can't say I know anything about filing a flight plan or stuff like that. But if I was I sure as hell would STAY AWAY from Washington DC. Especially since this has happened what, 5 times in the last month or two?

    http://www.nbc4.com/news/4668982/detail.html
     
  2. iGary Guest

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    He was supposedly avoiding weather, and we did have some bad storms here last night.

    BUT

    Why he was flying VFR in a King Air is beyond me.
     
  3. MongoTheGeek macrumors 68040

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    Reminds me of a joke. A man was flying around in his cesna and got a bit lost over the Nevada desert. He wandered over area 51 and was forced down by some rather irate air force pilots, held for 24 hours, interrogated, subjected to body cavity searches, his plane was thoroughly checked out and he was released and told not to do it again.

    Sure enough the next day, theres the same guy in the same plane flying over area 51. The Air Force forces him down and is about to read him the riot act again when he points to his wife in the plane, and says "Tell her, she didn't believe me."
     
  4. stubeeef macrumors 68030

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    BINGO! Probably an owner operator, rich enough and successful enough to know everything. (could be wrong, but would fit the scenario)
     
  5. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    According to the story:

    Apparently, a corporate pilot. Probably ATP rated to boot.
     
  6. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Incidentally, where does it say he was VFR? I couldn't find any reference to that in the article, except for the confused mention of a flight plan.
     
  7. Mr. Durden macrumors 6502a

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    How long before one of these planes gets shot down? There can only be so many instances of this happening before someone gets a SAM fired at them.

    I wouldnt doubt they do the next guy on purpose to make an example of 'em. I bet after someone gets blown from the sky, these accidents stop happening, or at least become much more rare.
     
  8. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    These incursions are already quite rare, and no we don't need any dead pilots and passengers to prevent it.
     
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    Uh huh:

     
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    far as i'm concerned, we should just evacuate washington dc at this point. at least that way, people could get some work done, rather than acting like a stoned teenager in the dark: "what was that??! and that!? aaaa!" actually the government kind of reminds me of Tweak, from southpark. Well, I'm sure the countless evacuations will prove to be worthwhile, at some point, in the next 1000 years...
     
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    It might just be me, but its borderline ridiculous with all the hysteria that they are causing. Makes me think they are just trying to scare the public by making them think that they are in real trouble, when they aren't at all, so it looks like they are doing a good job at 'protecting' them.
     
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    Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

    I feel no pitty for any pilot that strays into the Balt/Wash ADIZ - it's huge.

    If you make it into the Washington No Fly area, you deserve to be escorted out and have your ticket yanked.
     
  13. FoxyKaye macrumors 68000

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    Didn't they throw a bunch of my taxpayer money into some fancy-schmancy alternating-red-green laser system that's supposed to keep Cessnas and other threats out of the DC airspace? Or is that kind of like the Star Wars space defense system - it costs money but doesn't really work?
     
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    Still in testing, but yes.

    Planes are like cars - there are a lot of idiots that have no business in them.
     
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    LOL - that's good. Out here in CA, I think the driver ed classes forget to teach people how to use turn signals.
     
  16. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    If drivers had to meet even one tenth the number of standard required to get and then retain a pilot's license, then America's roads would be much safer -- if only because they'd be nearly empty.

    Which of course doesn't make it impossible for "idiots" to get pilots licenses, but it does make it much more difficult, and then harder for them to keep if they screw up.
     
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    Looks like Osama has allready won if you ask me.
     
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    After 9/11, small-time pilots have made for convenient scapegoats. The media also loves making up wild stories of daredevil terrorist pilots and their ultra-dangerous Cessnas. They want you to believe that a C-152 or Piper Cub will bring down an entire nuclear plant. Of course, the Gov can implement a bunch of useless rules that do absolutely nothing for safety, but it will make them appear that they are doing something. These rules simply make things more difficult for the honest, law-abiding pilots; do you think terrorists on a suicide mission care about breaking a few FAA regulations?

    Also, The death toll and collateral damage from shooting down a Cessna over a city would probably be worse than just letting crash into a building.
     
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    I prefer "private" to "small time" pilot, thank you, but you are correct -- general aviation has been a convenient punching bag since 9/11 despite the fact that no act of terrorism has ever been committed with a general aviation airplane. GA was grounded for a long time after 9/11 and it took much intense lobbying on the part of AOPA to get even some of the airspace reopened. Even then, the rules and restrictions applied to GA were so complicated and arbitrary (and ineffectual), that they were practically begging to be violated. Honestly, it's amazing that nobody got shot down during the first few months after GA resumed post-9/11 because we really didn't know for certain where we weren't allowed to go. The situation is better now, but flight restrictions can still pop up virtually without notice, and some of the really dumb ones that were created right after 9/11 still haven't been dropped.
     
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    I wasnt advocating shooting anyone down, just wondering aloud when it will happen (I'm willing to be it will eventually happen).

    They dont seem so very rare when you see something about it on the news every couple of weeks. Surely all those politicians who get jarred out of their naps and payoffs are sick of running for their lives everytime someone accidently flies too close to "sensitive" areas.

    Bush just might order them to shoot down the next one and blame it on Saddam, for all we know.
     
  21. MongoTheGeek macrumors 68040

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    Its been almost 4 years. I think they are going to miss one before they action a false positive.
     
  22. dejo Moderator

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    Didn't a Cessna almost crash into the White House in '94?
     
  23. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    You mean twice, in total? The Washington ADIZ and restricted airspace has been in place for nearly four years now. I don't think two incidents of this kind is such a terrible record, or that two incidents over a period of as many months indicates a developing trend of some kind.

    Incidentally, I've been looking for another story on this incident but can't seem to find one. I'm still trying to figure out what this pilot did.
     
  24. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Almost, but I don't recall that incident being classified as terrorism. It was one deranged guy, IIRC.
     
  25. MongoTheGeek macrumors 68040

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    It did hit the white house. 2' thick solid rock walls though. The thing crumpled like a toy. Park service had to touch up the paint.

    It was an attempted suicide as I recall.
     

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