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ucmj22

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May 27, 2011
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Your comparisons to drug cartels and the underage sex slave trade is what I would call stupid logic.

Countdown to Godwin's Law being fulfilled in this thread anytime now...

I bet the nazis would have let him off the hook

Godwins law fulfilled.
 

Adidas Addict

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Sep 9, 2008
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I think what he did was a great business idea, filled a gap in the market. Living the American dream. Maybe he should apply for The Apprentice next year, I'm sure Lord Sugar would appreciate his business acumen.
 

ucmj22

macrumors member
May 27, 2011
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Hi,

This is Phil. I thought I would try to answer some of the questions you guys might have.

I already surrendered pretty much all the info including sources, email messages, IM chat logs, to all the invoices.

Did you really think that what you were doing was not going to get you in trouble?
 

mr666

macrumors regular
Sep 14, 2009
102
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Age of this teen? Child or adult?

If this were a crime against person instead of an intellectual property crime, the report would emphasize his age and status as either minor or legal adult. How old is this "kid"? Can a "teenager" be 19 years old? Would a 19 year old armed robber get a verbal warning?
 

Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
10,136
4
Seems to be BS.

Lawsuits CANNOT be filed without his knowledge, unless he or his parents choose to ignore the legal letters.

Umm yes they can be filed with out your knowledge. Chances are the notification could of been in the mail so to speak so it was filed (and public record) before the official notification got to them.
 

0098386

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A teenager with no money or lawyer against Apple legal.

I don't envy the kid and it's made me dislike Apple a bit more.
 

*LTD*

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mack pro said:
*LTD* said:
Absolutely not.

Lessen the punishment a bit, but make an example out of him so crap like tis doesn't spread.

That'll do wonders for Apples image. Apple needs to let this go but they're too much of a bully to do the right thing. They're suing children now which shows what kind of person Steve Jobs really is.... a dbag.

It'll have zero effect on Apppe's image because consumers weren't affected and no puppies were killed. Apple's image is about their products, the Cool factor, and the iLifestyle. The average consumer isn't going to give a damn about some lawsuit about a dumb kid when they're waiting for their iPad.

Things like this have never affected Apple's image. I remember Apple taking a dump all over a little girl who offered an unsolicited product idea back in 2006. No one really cared. People continued to line up for Apple gear.

It's not bad nor good, it's just reality.

You know what affects image in tech? Selling boring, lousy products. And historic antitrust cases that make the headlines and show how a company lied and cheated their way to market share. You know who to ask about that.
 

Rodimus Prime

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It'll have zero effect on Apppe's image because consumers weren't affected and no puppies were killed. Apple's image is about their products, the Cool factor, and the iLifestyle. The average consumer isn't going to give a **** about some lawsuit about a dumb kid when they're waiting for their iPad.

Things like this have never affected Apple's image. I remember Apple taking a dump all over a little girl who offered an unsolicited product idea back in 2006. No one really cared. People continued to line up for Apple gear.

It's not bad nor good, it's just reality.

You know what affects image in tech? Selling boring, lousy products. And historic antitrust cases that make the headlines and show how a company lied and cheated their way to market share. You know who to ask about that.

Only to people like you.

To the rest of the world Apple image is going down quickly. They already are starting to be viewed as worse than MS ever was.

As for the case I willing to bet who Apple is really after is the kids supplier and they more than likely will let him keep most if not all his profits as the supplier is the real threat and who more than likely made the real killing on this. Getting a distributed is minor you have to kill the supply line if you want to stop it from happening.
 

mw360

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Aug 15, 2010
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A teenager with no money or lawyer against Apple legal.

I don't envy the kid and it's made me dislike Apple a bit more.

The kid's not being sued. The lawsuit was withdrawn before he even found out about it. How could you possibly have missed that?

And how's the kid gone from $130,000 to $0 in such a hurry? Rumours of his business acumen seem to be greatly exaggerated.
 

davidgrimm

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Nov 29, 2006
196
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This is truly unfortunate. They are basically saying that nobody can sell parts for me to modify my phone. They have essentially patented the color white on an iPhone. That's stupid. This would be like Ford suing paints shops for painting cars the same color it came from the factory. Why can't I buy parts for MY PHONE in white and install them? Its MY PHONE.
 

MCP-511

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Oct 18, 2010
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If he legally obtained the parts and can prove they were disposed of by Foxconn, a salvage claim is in order here. Then Apple can't do anything.

That would of been a good idea before starting, maybe. You definitely want to have all your ducks in a row before you venture into business with the big boys. Kid or not, seems like epic fail to me on the kids part and his parents. Obviously his parents are not paying attention to his activities either.
 

*LTD*

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Feb 5, 2009
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Only to people like you.

To the rest of the world Apple image is going down quickly. They already are starting to be viewed as worse than MS ever was.

Consumers need to stop opening their wallets to Apple and get over their Apple-obsession before anyone believes that.

Won't happen anytime soon. It's all about Apple. And more Apple.

http://macdailynews.com/2011/05/09/apple-leaps-past-google-to-become-worlds-most-valuable-brand/

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/04/20results.html

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...terprise_as_corporate_mac_sales_surge_66.html

Apple can barely keep up with iPad demand, for example. iPhone sales estimates for 2012 are, well, stratospheric to say the least. And probably right, too. Mac sales are at an all-time high.

http://www.9to5mac.com/69609/ipad-2s-go-on-sale-in-russia-to-long-lines-and-high-prices/

Damn. Who *isn't* buying??

For consumers it's all about the goods, not moral dilemmas.

But hey, we'll take your word for it. Who am I to negate your delusions?
 
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benthewraith

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May 27, 2006
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I'd say he already used it on Apple when he stole their intellectual property and conspired with his international accomplices to illegally profit at Apple's expense.

He's not a "kid" he's a criminal.

That's the thing, you can't prove that Apple lost sales due to the kid. The product was sold prior to the white iPhone being sold. It still required people with an iPhone to buy.

As I recall, these parts were declared defective to begin with. Chances are they were destined for the trash.

Did the kid break the law? Yes. But the loss to Apple was marginal at best.

To those saying he's unwise to take a lawyer to the meeting... he doesn't have the money for a lawyer.
 

mw360

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This is truly unfortunate. They are basically saying that nobody can sell parts for me to modify my phone. They have essentially patented the color white on an iPhone. That's stupid. This would be like Ford suing paints shops for painting cars the same color it came from the factory. Why can't I buy parts for MY PHONE in white and install them? Its MY PHONE.

Have you read more than 5 words of any article on this topic? Perhaps you only understand the language of stupid analogies. Here's one that will help you understand. This scenario is like Ford suing body shops for selling to customers Ford branded chassis panels that were either stolen, defective or counterfeit. What Apple have 'essentially patented' is their name, logo, brand etc. This is quite normal.
 

Rodimus Prime

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Oct 9, 2006
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Consumers need to stop opening their wallets to Apple and get over their Apple-obsession before anyone believes that.

someone does not understand what a PR image is and then sales. Not exactly the same thing.

Apple public image has been dropping like a rock for a while. But like I said before you could never understand that and just link to fanboy sites singing how great it is.
 

benthewraith

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May 27, 2006
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And how's the kid gone from $130,000 to $0 in such a hurry? Rumours of his business acumen seem to be greatly exaggerated.

Those were initial reports by the press before the kid was even interviewed. What he really made we don't know. But considering how he said he didn't have much money... he still had to pay for the parts.
 

*LTD*

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Feb 5, 2009
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someone does not understand what a PR image is and then sales. Not exactly the same thing.

Apple public image has been dropping like a rock for a while. But like I said before you could never understand that and just link to fanboy sites singing how great it is.

Unless it translates into dollars, it's meaningless.

Apple's public image rests on the strength of their products. It's inseparable from what the brand represents.

Everything else - unless extreme - is ephemeral. I doubt most consumers even know or care about this lawsuit. Which, by the way, has been dropped. In a couple of days it'll be forgotten.

Get real.
 

Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
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Unless it translates into dollars, it's meaningless.

Apple's public image rests on the strength of their products. It's inseparable from what the brand represents.

Everything else - unless extreme - is ephemeral. I doubt most consumers even know or care about this lawsuit. Which, by the way, has been dropped. In a couple of days it'll be forgotten.

Get real.

but it does translate into dollars. A lot of people are refusing to buy Apple products due to it. That is a lot of loss potentional sales. Not that I would expect you to understand that.

I also see that you clearly do not care what a company does. I guess Apple could beat people to death rob them blind and as long as they are making great sale numbers you could care less.

I see that you already sold your soul to Apple which sold it to the devil for more profit.
 

*LTD*

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Feb 5, 2009
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but it does translate into dollars. A lot of people are refusing to buy Apple products due to it.

Oh yeah. we can really tell. :rolleyes:

That's right. I *don't* understand your entire imaginary, illusory argument.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/04/20results.html

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/29/apple_profits_top_microsoft/

Of course I care what a company does. Most people do. In this instance the company in question has protected their brand and gone after thieves. This is normal.

They haven't killed anyone. They haven't beaten anyone to death. They're trying to make the best of difficult conditions in China that affect nearly all tech companies that use foreign labour. They go after thieves. They protect their intellectual property and brand integrity. They try to make a profit by selling desirable products.

In other words, nothing to see here. Except record sales. I'm not sure what YOU are seeing, though. You think maybe it's time to sit down and figure out what's real and what's fiction in your world, while you're going on about souls and devils? It probably is.
 

AppleScruff1

macrumors G4
Feb 10, 2011
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I messed up and wrote can when I meant can't, so I ruined my own attempt at humor. I went back and edited the post, but the punch line has lost its effect. :D
 
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