http://dukebox.net/ipodtrash.php what the hell is with them the reason ipods are so popular is they look cool and are simple to use. I would never buy an archos jukebox for the simple reason they are ugly as hell and were probably desighned by a builder who liked bricks the same go's for countless others. as for all those extra features who actually uses them be honest. (bit of a weak argument i know but it's like lugging round a huge tool box when all you need is a swis army knife.) also i have heard countless storys of the competitor jukeboxs breaking skiping ect. then again I am a bias mac fanatic. care to share opinions?