"The Book of Daniel"

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Thomas Veil, Jan 7, 2006.

  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Shut up, American Family Association.

    Just shut up, Religious Right.

    I am so tired of hearing about the "controversy" surrounding any new movie or TV show that dares to even touch a religious theme. I'm sick of people starting boycotts over shows they've never even seen.

    I watched this thing last night. Both hours of it. Trust me, the "controversy" is just so much horse crap.

    If you read some of the articles about it online (1, 2, 3, 4, 5), you would think that The Book of Daniel stopped just shy of openly gay porn, drug advocacy and outright blasphemy.

    It's not nearly that bad. In fact, it has a lot of positive things going for it.

    To put those articles into context: Aidan Quinn plays an Episcopal priest with a very human, dysfunctional family. If anything's "controversial", it's perhaps that the show introduces more family crises and relationship problems in two hours than most real families confront in a decade. They include:

    • a talented daughter who's financing her budding computer animation career by selling drugs;
    • a gay son who hasn't come out yet to his grandfather (who happens to be a bishop);
    • an adopted Chinese son who's having sex with his dad's best friend's daughter;
    • a mother who deep enough into Alzheimer's that her behavior is bizarre and inappropriate;
    • a brother-in-law who disappeared with three million in church funds;
    • a Roman Catholic priest with friends in low places who will try to recover the money...for a price.
    And that's not all of it.

    Taken as a whole, the plot borders on the cartoonish. There's just so much going on.

    Taken as individual points, the various subplots are sometimes poignant and sometimes humorous. Aidan Quinn as Fr. Webster is quite fallible. He's got his own problem, what with a painkiller addiction that he's not yet ready to admit to himself.

    I thought it was all handled in relatively good taste...but then you know what an unrepentant liberal I am, so what do I know? Even the scenes with Jesus. During the course of the show, Jesus pops up whenever Fr. Webster feels lost and needs to talk. Nobody sees Jesus except for Webster.

    Now, it probably never occurred to some of the simple minds that like to mount boycotts that these scenes could easily be interpreted to be metaphorical. People talk to Jesus every day, and believe they receive his guidance in return. To me, having Jesus appear in person is nothing more than a plot device which allows us into Webster's mind whenever he's in prayer.

    Perhaps what they have a problem with is that this Jesus is understanding. B.S. aside, this Jesus does not say that he approves of anything that's going on, only that he loves his children anyway.

    And we all know that a loving, forgiving Jesus is the machination of those evil, liberal-Commie Hollywood writers. Now, a Jesus that breathes fire and brimstone and smites his enemies...that's entertainment! :rolleyes:
     
  2. Roger1 macrumors 65816

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    So it's a soap opera, but the guy is a religous person? Ok. I can deal with it.
     
  3. joecool85 macrumors 65816

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    I came in half way through the episode on last night, I really like it. And I'm a christian.
     
  4. 2nyRiggz macrumors 603

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    doesnt sound bad i guess just trying to put a spin on it. if they aired dog poop on tv i think they will start a boycott.


    Bless
     
  5. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

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    I liked it a lot. It was a lot more truthful about the families of religious leaders than Seventh Heaven ever could be, at least, from my experience.

    Is it so terrible to tell the truth? I thought that's what Christianity was supposed to do. I know that doesn't work in reality so often but it's still the original intent.
     
  6. Thomas Veil thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Actually, "soap opera" was how my wife described it too. It's serialized, for sure.
     
  7. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Just more proof that "political correctness" cuts both ways.
     
  8. iSaint macrumors 603

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    I'm an Episcopalian and I was looking forward to watching the show. However, I live sixty miles from AFA headquarters, and the NBC affiliate in the same town announced at the end of the six o'clock news the it would not be airing. No excuse, no reasons, just a one-liner.

    My priest holds a very arrogant, EDIT: I mean up front view of shows that view life that really happens to people. I can only guess we're just supposed to hide behind our big smiles every day of our lives. You can read his blog here. He sounds old, but he's only 32 years old.

    I really don't watch much TV beyond a movie or some athletic event anymore, so I don't really miss the show. But I will write a letter expressing my disappointment to the NBC affiliate who chose not to air the show. It's no more or less harmless than any 'reality' show that's the big thing right now.

    One more thing: I could write a book on what I know about the priests in my diocese. I mean, the things I know that could be perceived by the righteous right as horrible things. But, really, they're people just like anyone else. I'll admit that I try to hold them on a pedestal sometimes. But, I've been disappointed with the results more often than not.
     
  9. jefhatfield Retired

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    i saw one episode and i can't see any political bias on it, or even religious bias

    jesus seems to be portrayed as an even headed, nice guy and being a christian i don't have a problem with that...so this show is not 100% percent biblical, but neither was mel gibson's "passion" and i wouldn't be surprised if the "da vinci code" is also not perfectly in line with the bible...all in all, the above mentioned productions are entertainment

    if one wants to learn about christianity, the bible is a good source, not a tv show, movie, or latest lame gop platform

    the bigoted, hate-filled fundies who try to represent christianity are not speaking for all of us christians anymore than the jehovah witnesses, lahaye/jenkins, moonies, or scientologists speak for christianity

    and it's funny how some "christians" have a problem with this tv show but will watch any movie with governor arnold wasting people left and right...of course, if governor arnold was the democratic governor of california, the fundies would be out in the streets picketing his movies

    some christians worship christ and some christians worship a current political plaform backing a lame president and i suspect the latter will not fill one's cup at the end of the day
     
  10. solvs macrumors 603

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    The only problem I had with the show was that the ads made it seem more like a comedy. It wasn't a bad show, kinda of entertaining, though a bit uneven at times. Nothing that any religious person shoud have a problem with, but some religious people who haven't seen it decided to raise a stink, so their sheeple follow, and the affiliates cave. Ironically, they gave it more free press, so more people probably tuned in to see what the stink was all about. Way better than 7th Heaven. Acting and writing were actually pretty good.

    Knowing NBC, I give it about 3 weeks.
     
  11. Thomas Veil thread starter macrumors 68020

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    You know, sometimes these threads trigger some of the darnedest Google ads:

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  12. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Funny how that doofus who wrote "South Park Conservatives" got lots of airplay out of how 'conservative' South Park is... Have you seen the role Jesus plays in THAT show?

    Also I'd note that were the situation reversed and some affiliates were refusing to air Mel Gibson's "Passion" that the righty noise machine would be cranked up to high volume to denounce 'theliberalmedia'. Yet this proof of 'theconservativemedia' is ignored...

    What's that H word again? Hippo-something...
     
  13. Sayhey macrumors 68000

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    Hippo-crypt. A noun meaning the ancient burial ground of mythical river horses and politicians who fail to understand where their situational ethics will take them (see DeLay, Tom).
     
  14. belvdr macrumors 601

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    Makes me glad I block those.
     
  15. Thomas Veil thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Actually, those are top-of-the-page display ads, not pop-ups. You can't block inline ads, can you? :confused:

    Here's essentially the same ad appearing again:

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  16. belvdr macrumors 601

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    Yeah, I block domains, such as tribalfusion.com, with AdBlock and DNS. Thus, I can block most, but not all, inline ads as well.
     
  17. Thomas Veil thread starter macrumors 68020

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    All of a sudden I feel rather techno-stupid.... :eek:
     
  18. iSaint macrumors 603

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    Well, apparently there's more than one Episcopalian, in my diocese yet, reading this board as my priest has been informed of the above comments. Hey out there! Give me a shout!
     
  19. belvdr macrumors 601

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    Don't sweat it.. It only came to me after being on the net for years.. :)
     
  20. superbovine macrumors 68030

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    I usually block things in /etc/hosts i.e. route them to 0.0.0.0
     
  21. belvdr macrumors 601

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    I run my own DNS server and block entire domains and point them to 127.0.0.1. Same effect except I don't need to block multiple hosts in a given domain.
     
  22. superbovine macrumors 68030

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    i think that would be excessive for me. I only two computers ;)
     
  23. belvdr macrumors 601

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    I have two as well, but one stays on all the time. The good thing about having your own is you can block one domain for all systems involved in one swing.
     
  24. Thomas Veil thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Well, the religious crazies will be gloating about this:

    Bastards.

    I'm sure the show's ratings failure can't be nearly all attributed to their...uh...pro-Christian bigotry. Friday at 10 has been the "death hour" on TV for a long, long time. Still, they're going to take credit for saving us from ourselves, when in reality we're losing one of the few TV shows in recent years to deal with religion in a mature, intelligent manner.

    Maybe I'll fire off a nasty e-mail to them.

    Link
     
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    I don't recall Christ as being very intolerant......
     

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