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iPad Pro The consensus seems to be that iPad pro isn't very pro yet. Do you agree?
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It is clear, Grasshopper, that you are making a different choice--"to NOT do work on"--an iPad than am I, who choose TO DO work on an iPad. Diversity is good.
No pro applications for the ipad pro, no touch app ecosystem for the surface. No wonder everyone is unhappy
It seems unfair that pro should equal 'laptop replacement'--but a lot of pro features would yield an ios 'laptop replacement'--trackpad/mouse pointer, file finder app, usb port, etc. Oh yes, and a total rethink of the keyboard cover. Its hard to see where Apple will take this
You nailed it with the word 'yet'.
The device just came out. The hardware is already there, a continually maturing iOS along with 'pro' level apps will take care of the rest.
My company is buying an additional 4 making our total purchase of 5 iPad Pro. They are certainly replacing what we used laptops before so.....? If that isnt a Professional endorsement, I dont know what is.
I think it depends what you use it for. Who you are, what your company use it for e.t.c
It's certainly not a laptop replacement for me. It's a beast speed wise, a great feature with the pencil but it really does nothing different to the air. It's the most powerful ipad around with great speakers and more ram but it just an upgraded bigger air in terms of laptop replacement
As a defense to this point, people don't seem to be able to separate the OS's name from what they do.
I think when people say they want OS X on an iPad, what they're really asking for is for the iPad and iOS to be a bit more open and allow workflows similar to those that are currently possible on OS X. I don't think any reasonable person wants literally OS X on iPad, menu bar and dock and all. However, there are many everyday things that are frustratingly complex and time consuming on iOS that are very quick and easy in OS X. I want those simple things to be as simple in iOS tomorrow as they are in OS X today.
I posted in this thread here a good example of a simple thing that is super annoying in iOS, and it shouldn't be.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/love-the-ipad-pro-but.1939891/page-2#post-22286392
are there actually figures for that statement? are 'most people' dumping their laptop for an ipad? i find that hard to believe. the reports i see and read are overwhelming in favour of a laptop over an ipad for general computing use, even if the ipad can do a laptop's job.certainly everyone i know have zero plans to swap their laptops for ipads.
perhaps the familiarity of the laptop and it's past tried and tested methods are hard to escape from.
/edit - or do you mean potentially replacing instead of actually replacing ?
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Its really subjective, it may fit the needs of some pros, and not others, does that make it less of a pro machine, I don't think so. It just means the tablet is not for everyone.
I personally find it a poor fit for my needs, but that's just me.
I personally find it a poor fit for my needs, but that's just me.
Truth is, as others have said above, it entirely depends on what your business is.
I'm a marketing consultant, and the vast majority of my work involves client meetings, strategy writing and reviewing work from designers. Since I got the iPP, I've stopped carrying my laptop with me. I haven't got the pencil yet, but am using my Adonit JotScript to mark up design work and send comments back to the studio etc.
The larger form factor of the iPP means that I can sketch out wireframes and diagrams in client meetings and present them direct on my own screen, something that just wasn't possibly with my iPad Air 2 or any of the other devices I've used professionally.
Even as I sit here and type this, I'm doing so from the iPP, with my retina MacBook sat open next to me, but not really doing anything.
I think if you're in a big corporate environment, or an industry that requires specialist software or application support, then the iPP won't do anything previous generations and devices have done more than capably. For me, though, and for other people in the professional services/creative industries, I'm pretty sure it's a revolutionary device, whose limitations are themselves limited and software-based, so easily rectifiable.
In the long run, I'm much more interested in how apple is going to solve the issue that's been identified with porting truly 'Pro' applications to the iPP given the limitations of their commercial model.
I'm a marketing consultant, and the vast majority of my work involves client meetings, strategy writing and reviewing work from designers. Since I got the iPP, I've stopped carrying my laptop with me. I haven't got the pencil yet, but am using my Adonit JotScript to mark up design work and send comments back to the studio etc.
The larger form factor of the iPP means that I can sketch out wireframes and diagrams in client meetings and present them direct on my own screen, something that just wasn't possibly with my iPad Air 2 or any of the other devices I've used professionally.
Even as I sit here and type this, I'm doing so from the iPP, with my retina MacBook sat open next to me, but not really doing anything.
I think if you're in a big corporate environment, or an industry that requires specialist software or application support, then the iPP won't do anything previous generations and devices have done more than capably. For me, though, and for other people in the professional services/creative industries, I'm pretty sure it's a revolutionary device, whose limitations are themselves limited and software-based, so easily rectifiable.
In the long run, I'm much more interested in how apple is going to solve the issue that's been identified with porting truly 'Pro' applications to the iPP given the limitations of their commercial model.
Yes, the numbers you seek are all iPad sales numbers. Every single one of those iPads is a purchase that, years ago, would have gone to a laptop. For the top tier activity like web browsing, email, messaging, photos, music, video, etc. etc. A laptop used to be the only way to do any of it.
The proof is in the sales numbers of the Windows surface going UP fast. I believe that using the "pro" monniker for any product requires it to do "pro-level" things. Now, Im not saying that the iPP cant do some of those things but its probably a lot easier on a real laptop. And, you are NOT saving any money either. For what a decked-out iPP costs with the fixins puts it right in the laptop price range.
From what I can tell, the iPP is just a slightly larger version of what I have now. More "powerful"? Sure...but for what actual uses?
You don't say why you think this.
Specs alone make the Pro a Pro.
Comparing it to the Surface makes very little sense. The Surface is a mediocre tablet and a mediocre laptop. yes I have used it extensively. The iPad is the best tablet Apple can make. I prefer the best tablet and the best laptop over an all in one and I can have either both at home or at work.
Specs alone make the Pro a Pro.
Comparing it to the Surface makes very little sense. The Surface is a mediocre tablet and a mediocre laptop. yes I have used it extensively. The iPad is the best tablet Apple can make. I prefer the best tablet and the best laptop over an all in one and I can have either both at home or at work.
Source for Surface sales going up fast?
Surface sales are a blip compared to iPad sales.
Surface sales are a blip compared to iPad sales.
Some people have developed optimized work flows centered on MacBook Pros or iMacs. It would highly unlikely for the iPad Pro to replace one of these because it is a different device with different capabilities.
Look at it as this new device and think of the things that are possible with it. Mine will arrive next week and I greatly look forward to it replacing my current iPad Air and complementing my MBP. As was mentioned earlier this will be a great tool for sketching while taking notes or for annotating pictures of samples while working in the lab. You don't have to be a graphic artist to greatly value the iPP and Pencil.
Look at it as this new device and think of the things that are possible with it. Mine will arrive next week and I greatly look forward to it replacing my current iPad Air and complementing my MBP. As was mentioned earlier this will be a great tool for sketching while taking notes or for annotating pictures of samples while working in the lab. You don't have to be a graphic artist to greatly value the iPP and Pencil.
For many people I know, their smart phones have replaced home PC's. One of the reason some people buy phablet phones. So for these people an iPad pro certainly would replace their already replaced computer.
Reports are pro is crushing surface sales but that's no shock. It's Apple
I guess I'm a target user, as a designer, researcher and educator. Thanks to the iPad Pro, the past two weeks have been the most productive I've had in ages. It has become my main computing device and is changing my practice in little and big ways. It's a godsend!
The biggest issue I see is that people are trying to force-fit the iPad into a laptop paradigm and use it as such, rather than focus on unique areas which the ipad does better.
That Apple is now trying to hawk the iPad Pro has a laptop replacement isn't exactly helping either.
For example, the Workflow app was just updated yesterday to support Wordpress. You can now create an action that largely automates the creation of new posts and the posting of content to your blog. Federico of Macstories even details it on his blog on how he has been using it to make his workflow more efficient compared to a laptop. However, the process can be a little fiddly, and I can see how normal consumers would be put off by the thought of trying to string together a bunch of instructions. It's just more familiar to just go to wordpress in your browser and type your post there, even though it might take longer and prove to be more inefficient, but at least they know the job will get done that way.
This is the biggest problem I see. People are stuck in the laptop computing mindset (myself included to an extent), and not focusing enough on making their ipad work. We are so used to the thought of archaic computing notions like a file manager that we cannot wrap our brains around not needing to work with one.
And the more Windows 10 reinforces this old desktop mode of computing, the harder it will be for Apple to push for iOS as the future of mobile computing, much as I want it to be. I am just grateful Apple hasn't made the blunder of merging iOS and OSX or simply shipping OSX on a tablet form factor and calling it a day.
That Apple is now trying to hawk the iPad Pro has a laptop replacement isn't exactly helping either.
For example, the Workflow app was just updated yesterday to support Wordpress. You can now create an action that largely automates the creation of new posts and the posting of content to your blog. Federico of Macstories even details it on his blog on how he has been using it to make his workflow more efficient compared to a laptop. However, the process can be a little fiddly, and I can see how normal consumers would be put off by the thought of trying to string together a bunch of instructions. It's just more familiar to just go to wordpress in your browser and type your post there, even though it might take longer and prove to be more inefficient, but at least they know the job will get done that way.
This is the biggest problem I see. People are stuck in the laptop computing mindset (myself included to an extent), and not focusing enough on making their ipad work. We are so used to the thought of archaic computing notions like a file manager that we cannot wrap our brains around not needing to work with one.
And the more Windows 10 reinforces this old desktop mode of computing, the harder it will be for Apple to push for iOS as the future of mobile computing, much as I want it to be. I am just grateful Apple hasn't made the blunder of merging iOS and OSX or simply shipping OSX on a tablet form factor and calling it a day.
Gonna chime in now that I've had my pro for a few days ...
Personally I have found that for most of the people I know a 128GB iPad pro would be a laptop replacement including both my parents (mid 50's still working). Personally though it wouldn't be a laptop replacement for me but I am finding its more useful than any other iPad before it.
I sold my 13HD cintiq to a friend and replaced it with Astropad on the iPad pro ... I find that despite being in beta fir the most part it works just as well ... And with less cables and clutter ... And I think that software implementation will only get better ... Thus in regards to being a pro device for that market and with an apple pencil I think it would very much so satisfy as a pro device
Personally I need my laptop and my desktop for 3D modeling work I do but I have found that my iPad pro makes an ideal companion device nice large screen and solid speakers for playing media on the side while working on my laptop or desktop. Also i love the apple pencil and pro create ... Not Gonna lie I'm a vey amateur 2d artist probably not even good enough to say that but the pencil does feel natural in my hands and is a ton of fun with procreate
On another usability note ... I found that with the apple pencil notes works superbly to keep up with my hand writing ... Thus replacing and need I had for notebooks... Lastly I didn't buy the keyboard and am typing this whole post. On the onscreen keyboard Which is also far better sized and spaced than previous iPads.
All in all it won't replace my laptop for several teams but it definitely can handle prob 50% .... And for the most part Is well designed to do so ... It's funny I thought this was gonna be useless when it came out but it's the first iPad that's made sense to me .
Personally I have found that for most of the people I know a 128GB iPad pro would be a laptop replacement including both my parents (mid 50's still working). Personally though it wouldn't be a laptop replacement for me but I am finding its more useful than any other iPad before it.
I sold my 13HD cintiq to a friend and replaced it with Astropad on the iPad pro ... I find that despite being in beta fir the most part it works just as well ... And with less cables and clutter ... And I think that software implementation will only get better ... Thus in regards to being a pro device for that market and with an apple pencil I think it would very much so satisfy as a pro device
Personally I need my laptop and my desktop for 3D modeling work I do but I have found that my iPad pro makes an ideal companion device nice large screen and solid speakers for playing media on the side while working on my laptop or desktop. Also i love the apple pencil and pro create ... Not Gonna lie I'm a vey amateur 2d artist probably not even good enough to say that but the pencil does feel natural in my hands and is a ton of fun with procreate
On another usability note ... I found that with the apple pencil notes works superbly to keep up with my hand writing ... Thus replacing and need I had for notebooks... Lastly I didn't buy the keyboard and am typing this whole post. On the onscreen keyboard Which is also far better sized and spaced than previous iPads.
All in all it won't replace my laptop for several teams but it definitely can handle prob 50% .... And for the most part Is well designed to do so ... It's funny I thought this was gonna be useless when it came out but it's the first iPad that's made sense to me .
its clear that itll never be a heavy lifting machine, much like most mbas or current MacBooks arent, but it if you have a desktop for that stuff and need a satellite device what are this things actual limitations?
personally:
upgrades:
- drawing and written note taking
- lte at wifi deadzones.
- music notation: its bigger than paper now!
- potable entertainment center: vids/magazines/music/comics/etc. where before if i traveled id take a bluetooth speaker with me, i think i can do without it now
sidegrades:
- multi tracking music
- writing/word processing
- super basic video editing
downgrades:
- excel: excel is a huge adjustment for me to even use, but even then can only do some pretty simple stuff
- vdmx: vjay is too basic of a substitute, would be great if there was a "pro" app for video mixing.
all in all if im trying to move my macbook air and ipad air to one device this is a really good start
personally:
upgrades:
- drawing and written note taking
- lte at wifi deadzones.
- music notation: its bigger than paper now!
- potable entertainment center: vids/magazines/music/comics/etc. where before if i traveled id take a bluetooth speaker with me, i think i can do without it now
sidegrades:
- multi tracking music
- writing/word processing
- super basic video editing
downgrades:
- excel: excel is a huge adjustment for me to even use, but even then can only do some pretty simple stuff
- vdmx: vjay is too basic of a substitute, would be great if there was a "pro" app for video mixing.
all in all if im trying to move my macbook air and ipad air to one device this is a really good start
Just tried it for the first time in the Apple Store.
Pretty sex, amazing screen. Apple Pencil works great.
Software is **** though got such a device. The multitasking is a complete joke.
I'm not sure if it was because it was an apple store model but it seemed to lag hugely when pulling down the multitasking apps. That and the fact it hasn't got a quick search for the multitasking app so you have to endlessly scroll through all of them, is a massive concern.
Can anyone confirm if there iPad pro lags ? Mainly because I'm thinking of buying one.
Also standing at the Apple store, the keyboard has a bad angle for the screen, but maybe it was because I was standing up, how do people find it when sitting down? Also can it only go one angle ?
Also back again to the multi tasking, can the right side be the main app and the left side the smaller multitasking app? Mainly because I want to be writing notes while doing quick calculations with my left hand?
And are there any apps that do handwriting to text? Similar to the Samsung note, where it changes calculations to text as well?
Pretty sex, amazing screen. Apple Pencil works great.
Software is **** though got such a device. The multitasking is a complete joke.
I'm not sure if it was because it was an apple store model but it seemed to lag hugely when pulling down the multitasking apps. That and the fact it hasn't got a quick search for the multitasking app so you have to endlessly scroll through all of them, is a massive concern.
Can anyone confirm if there iPad pro lags ? Mainly because I'm thinking of buying one.
Also standing at the Apple store, the keyboard has a bad angle for the screen, but maybe it was because I was standing up, how do people find it when sitting down? Also can it only go one angle ?
Also back again to the multi tasking, can the right side be the main app and the left side the smaller multitasking app? Mainly because I want to be writing notes while doing quick calculations with my left hand?
And are there any apps that do handwriting to text? Similar to the Samsung note, where it changes calculations to text as well?