The Falkland Islands (Malvinas)

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  1. B777Forevar
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    Lately I've been reading some articles that Argentina wants "their" islands back.
    Is there any solid evidence that the Falklands is theirs? I read somewhere that everyone on that Island would like to remain British.

    Is some island out in the cold Atlantic worth waging another war?

    Or is this whole issue just spun up greatly by tabloids looking for a story to tell?
     
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    According to Wikipedia, the Argentinians are 86% European.

    If there's any ownership claims to be settled, perhaps this 86% should think about shipping back to Spain and leaving the 1.6% of native Amerindians in peace.
     
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    Ah, the Falklands. Wasn't that Lady Thatcher's little war to show how big her dick was?
     
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    "Every Prime Minister needs a Willie": Thatcher in reference to her deputy William Whitelaw.
     
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    Well they are confident there is oil there now, so suddenly everyone cares a lot more. I think before the oil appeared, we didn't really care about them and just fought Argentina on principle.
     
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    Have they got another big U.S. hand-me-down ship that the Royal Navy can use for target practice??

    Bring it on. :rolleyes:
     
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    They aren't mostly spanish tho.
     
  9. Happybunny, Jan 10, 2012
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    The Royal Navy does not even have one AC. Thanks to budget cuts.

    Any way this problem is going to be settled via the UN diplomatic channels. Already the South American countries are behind Argentina, and the majority of EU would back Argentina. The Middle Eastern and African countries see this as pure land grab by ex colonial powers. China and Russia have both said that they would support a UN lead deal.

    Please always remember "It's those persons that shout loudest for a war, that have never fought one"

    All this at least 10 yrs away. But time ticks on, the world is changing fast. This is no longer the world of 1982.
     
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    There are 3000 people living there who don't want Argentinian rule, don't they get a say?
     
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    Spain?
    Italy actually… vast amounts of Italians emigrated to Argentina. So while Spain might have colonised the area and established it as a Spanish colony with Spanish the official language, Italians were the largest immigrant group.
    Wiki (I know, but it is a well enough known factoid)

    Now that is a bit rich coming from a subject of her majesty's United Kingdom… How many millions around the globe were asked nicely if they wanted British rule and oppression?
     
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    Using that argument, what about Australia, New Zealand, Canada. Or does it only apply to non english speaking people?
     
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    And the Royal Navy is of course in a splendid state of preservation itself right?
    :rolleyes:

    Just what the world needs, war-mongering cheerleading Canadians. I thought you lot were reasonable.
     
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    ----->the point ------>

    ____*your head*
     
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    Add the United States to that too. America was colonized by the Europeans also. :eek: (scary) I know. :rolleyes:
     
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    Not at all.
    I think that was a completely valid post.
     
  17. Happybunny, Jan 10, 2012
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    Yes, this the reason that it will take a least 10 more years. If there were no people on that island is would have been settled years ago.

    But the future is no longer the sole domain of the Anglo Saxon countries. The BRICs will write a new world order.

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    Yes but we don't want them back, Rick Satorum, Rick Perry, George W, you can keep them.:D
     
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    Why? Firestarter's point was that it's ridiculous to ask settled populations to move. Or did you think he genuinely and not at all sarcastically wanted argentina to disband and all non-natives return to europe?
     
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    Edit:
    OK, OK.
    You were right.
    :rolleyes:
    Lest we turn this into another "Mcrain-style thread".
     
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    I agree 'Lest we turn this into another "Mcrain-style thread"
     
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    The Maori aren't native to New Zealand, they only claim to be. There are no native Mammals in New Zealalnd, that includes humans.
     
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    Interesting, it's difficult to imagine what you could possibly have edited out that would piss me off more than comparing this to that thread!?

    :rolleyes:

    I don't give a **** about being right or not, I'd be vastly surprised if firestarter genuinely wants non-nativeargentinians to return to their ancestral homes. though it doesn't matter, this is the PRSI, people are wrong quite often.

    Chill the hell out. I simply asked why.


    I'll apologise to Happybunny though, my first point was a little condescending, I just found it a bit silly how they took firestarters post literally yet used the same model of sarcastic point themselves exploring an absurd extension to a premise to prove it false.
     
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    Going back to the original thread.

    There is of course another scenario.
    Oil is found in large amounts, after a few years the Falklanders demand independence from the UK. I think the huge income divided by 3000 odd people would look very inviting choice.
    From the recent past.
    The difference between Scotland and Norway both had oil on their doorstep. If Scotland had been an independent country it would be one of the riches in Europe.
     
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    Exactly.

    My point (although I didn't really flesh it out) goes beyond that though.

    The majority of 'nation building' in Argentina happened in the last century - as predominantly Europeans immigrated.

    I question the validity of a sovereignty claim made by a country where:
    - Most of the population aren't South American by heritage (<2%)
    - The country as we know it is a creation of the 20th century; well after the British claim on the Falklands.

    In reality the argument is one of colonial Europeans vs colonial Europeans, not one of the UK vs indigenous South Americans (which is how it's sometimes presented).

    Argentine population growth:
    Year Pop. ±%
    1869 1,830,214 —
    1895 4,044,911 +121.0%
    1914 7,903,662 +95.4%
    1947 15,893,827 +101.1%
    1960 20,013,793 +25.9%
    1970 23,364,431 +16.7%
    1980 27,949,480 +19.6%
    1991 32,615,528 +16.7%
    2001 36,223,947 +11.1%
    2010 40,091,359 +10.7%

    THIS!

    Anyone who would think I was arguing for repartition of colonialists needs their bumps read. No way we want Americans back in the UK! :eek:
     
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    Well, a nuclear sub did the trick last time (AC not required for target practice).


    I just try to be reasonably funny.

    The sinking of the General Belgrano was actually a massive faux pas.
     

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