The Golden Age of the Internet is ending

Discussion in 'General Mac Discussion' started by GeeYouEye, Aug 6, 2003.

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    GeeYouEye

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    and Apple is helping it end, along with Microsoft, Disney, Yahoo, Amazon and others.
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    Wonderful, isn't it. :(
     
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    Hit the nail on the head there mac15.... and look at how all these new Australian "unlimited" DSL providers are struggling to even provide dialup speeds over 512kbps ADSL connections (on the Comindico network)

    Derek.
     
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    Ambrose Chapel

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    This reminds me of some Simpsons episode, where Disney bought out some charity or something and said, "Sorry, but there's profit to be had..."

    I think that sums it up.
     
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    Mr. Anderson

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    A little big brother, a little Monte Burns.....;) Make money and watch trends on how to make even more.

    I don't see everything end up having a price tag, especially if you're paying for a broadband to begin with.

    There will end up being a backlash that the providers will heavily compete to see who can offer the most for your money. This will provide more jobs and in the end, the consumer will get more. Especially if we get a new internet with higher speeds. But that will take some time....:D

    D
     
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    Sabenth

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    This comes as no supprise to me if anything its supprised me at how long its taken. Broadband changes the way we treat the net it makes doing things easier. if you look at how the bigpond ads are show casing it (ibigpond = isp in Australia for all you out there not in australia) a whale i mean what the????

    But making things easer brings great responsablity hence that horrid pay for downloads. Music caused the change and music is going to cause the death of freedom unless we all stand as one and show these corps whos using and can controll which direction they should be going shame everythings based on cash these days.. IAM STILL ON 56K DIAL UP FOR CHRIST SAKES....
     
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    benixau

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    I was the last - and i mean the very last - optus customer to take up the Lightning Fast Plan:

    I had a 1Mbps Connection (cable)
    I got an Ethernet/USB Dual Function Modem (std)
    I had unlimited downloads with one proviso - i could not download more than 10x the average user download over a 14 day period. This meant if every person dloaded 2GB i could not do more than 20GB. Just recently when everyone else (inc. friends) were on the new plans (dload limited) optus defined that average as just over 1GB - so i had a 10GB plan at 1Mbps for about AU$70 a mnth.

    Optus, well no-one, can support this sort of usage across a bigger network. The plan ended on the first of this mnth (aug). I now pay $10 less and get 7GB less.

    Fair - yes.
    Like it - no.

    If you want a good, reliable and fast service here are a few things:

    You will have to pay for it
    Do not choose telstra broadband
    It will have a high set-up cost
    Do not choose telstra broadband
    It wont be unlimited
    Do not choose telstra broadband
    Do not choose telstra broadband
    Do not choose telstra broadband
    and most importantly;
    Do not choose telstra broadband

    really - the above 9 things are realistic.

    Good fast and reliable - costs money
    Cheap slow and losts of downtime is cheap and sounds like telstra broadband.

    I know this though - I still got 1Mbps dstream - just if i go over 3GB download i get clipped to 28.8K for the rest of the month.
     
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    Do you guys have upload rates? Because I used to upload 10 GB of data on eDonkey a week, now it's about 1, and then there's my KDX server, which is different entirely (but that isn't always running) I will say this though - that's a great way to cut down on piracy of movies and software.
     
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    MacsRgr8

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    We gotta face it: High speed no-limit-download internet access is a cert for illegal software distribution. We don't care if a download is 1 GB taking a week to download, 'cause it doesn't matter.
    Ofcourse, WE use our DSL, Cable, Satellite, for good use only, ha ha. BTW upgrading a clean 10.2 install all the way up to 10.2.6, QT 6.3, iApps, security fixes and so on is pretty steep... we need broadband for that :) (not to forget iSight)

    But, why don't our providers stop the use of apps like KaZaA, mlMac, eDonkey, Hotline, KDX, Gnutella, by blocking their ports? It's harsh (and I would hate it!), but by blocking ALL ports except the "usual" or serious ports could be a start. And if you really want a port opened, you could ask for it, thus making you "watched' over that specific port.
     
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    I agree, it'd be a lot better to just block the use of Kazaa and all. That's what our college did because we were seriously taking bandwidth and got into two legal issues when it was found that people were downloading bootleg movies off of Kazaa. The college basically blocked all those ports overnight and issued an email the next day explaining that due to these reasons, we are no longer allowed to use P2P. Were we upset? Heck yeah. But, after that, the ethernet connections suddenly got a whole lot faster and more reliable without all that bandwidth being burnt on P2P. I'd hate for regulation because as stated before, it's a lot easier to update your software and do stuff like iChat AV when you have broadband connections than sitting there for 3 days to stay up to date.
     
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    Ambrose Chapel

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    what about this idea of getting broadband over electrical lines? i've seen articles about it, not sure how close it is to reality, but i know it's more than a pipe dream. this might be one way of avoiding the telecom giants and all their advertising schemes and such
     
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    CrackedButter

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    If the net is redesigned and funneled through a system where corporations can track our information the internet loses the purpose for what it was designed for. At the moment its decentralised and now its to be centralised?

    Big mistake.

    I was reading an article last year on how the US government was proposing a similar idea with this due to terriosisim.

    Spackers...

    I'm sick of money money money, its all people care about, there seems to be no other goal other than to acquire huge amounts of wealth of which 1% will ever be spent.

    The day it happens the day i log off...

    Then again once wireless networks start to take hold at home who is to stop me forming my own network with various friends?

    EDIT: O Yeah, this seems all US based once again...lets hope their mentality of thinking that the US is the world stays that way, the rest of us can watch the **** hit the fan.
     
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    Whatever measures they impose, they can't undo the fact that for years an entire generation was exposed to a virtually unregulated highway of information. It will be interesting to see what happens in the future.
     
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    mnkeybsness

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    i see this coming down to an issue of freedom of speech and having to pay for it. i would hate the idea of having to pay extra just to see what i wanna see, read what i wanna read, and do what i wanna do. it's these large corporations like microsoft, aol time warner, etc that really own the world. there seems to be no way of stopping these giant monopolies.

    the only way we (US citizens) can make a difference is by voicing your opinion. let someone know how you feel about all this. tell someone in high places. get people talking. keep the internet a free exchange of ideas.

    fight for your rights.
     
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    MacsRgr8

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    Hey! Don't forget us! (the rest of the world...)
    Thank U.
     
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    I'm sure he mentioned US specifically in regards to the subject of how this is all seemingly coming from the US mindset of money being the only thing worth going after, which not everyone believes in the US (as unlikely as that may sound, but there are many of us who actually care more about other things than money here).
     
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    big

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    You've got to fight For Your right to PAAAAAARTY!!!
     
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    The main problem I have with pay per bit methods is that there are tons of bits going to my machine that I don't want or care about, i.e. banner ads, bloated flash intros, etc.

    So, will I get compensated for all those bits? I mean, all of the sudden, browsing with lynx looks appealing...
     
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    let's say I want to use p2p apps a lot, and I'm looking for a provider. Am I going to go with someone who blocks my ability to use p2p? Of course I'm not, and as long as there is demand for p2p, someone is going to provide service that allows it. And that is the service that many many people are goign to choose.

    In a nutshell, a free market will not allow providers to block p2p networks.

    There are ways around this:
    1) for the government to outlaw p2p networks. But they can't do that because p2p has a legitimate use (the Supreme Court says you can't ban something with a legitimate use just because it also has an illegitimate use).
    2) monopolistic conspiricy on the part of ISPs, also illegal.

    Colleges can get away with it because they are not likely to lose their customers (i.e. students) over this issue alone.

    Long live the free market system! :D Screw you Microsoft, Disney, Yahoo, Amazon, and yes, even Apple!
     
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    If you ask me, it's a non-issue because it's illegal and requires a trained technician to install anyway. Sounds like a brilliant idea for a home-networking plan, except that it doesn't.

    It's funny that when Apple was done with AirPort, they contacted to the IEEE to ask what they could go after next in terms of networking technology. A guy at the IEEE told them, "Well, everybody's getting on this power line networking thing, but it's illegal and requires technicians to install equipment at home... I don't think that's going anywhere. But there IS an interesting technology called 802.11g..." So while everybody else was working on power-line networking, which seems doomed to fail, Apple was working on a promising technology. History vindicates Apple once again.
     
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    Because it won't work. If they did, everybody would use a different port the next day. Taken to the extreme, you can come up with ways to do file sharing via e.g. the HTTP protocol. And it is hard to block that, except by content filtering (ie., censoring).

    One thing I hate about the whole way p2p/filesharing is dealt with is that the content-producing industry is always extending their rights, but not their duties. For example, I think if someone holds a copyright on something, he also has the duty to make it available to society for an acceptable price. The way it happens now is that some publishing company holds the right for a book that was not so popular, and because they don't want to republish it, people can't buy the book legally for another 80 years or so.

    With the music and video industry, it is just the same: They are only looking for ways to prosecute filesharers instead of trying to win new customers.

    For example, I would love to be able to download the Enterprise series legally. We have it here in Germany, but in the German version, and I don't have a TV anyway. Even if they put it out on DVD in the US, I probably wouldn't be able to play it in a European player. So it would be wonderful to be able to just download it at the QTVS (Quicktime Video Store), or any online store, and watch it at my leisure. But it is just not possible.
     
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    MrMacMan

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    Hell yeah!

    Look All of the companies have intrests... not that apple is a partial slave to the recording industry apple is forced to places like that.
    Amazon, yahoo -- Retailers, imagine if record labels stoped selling to them!
    Microsoft -- just normally evil all around, but also because they want their product never used for illegal purposes, or things they don't like normally.



    Look blocking ports for P2P completly would be a death sentence because much of the *purpose* of people getting Cable or Broadband IS P2P and file sharing.

    Yeah almost would kill them off completly.
     
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    Daveman Deluxe

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    Way back in the nether-reaches of United States history, copyrights were seven years and renewable once for another seven years. Now they last ninety-five years and are renewable for at least one more ninety-five-year period.

    Frankly, I think that the seven years is about right. The idea way back then was that the creator was creating for the good of the public to entertain and enjoy. To compensate him for that, he got a certain amount of time with which to make what profit he could, then it was released to the public domain.

    It's all about being vindictive these days. "I don't want you to read this if it means I get no money." As a result, copyrights have been extended and extended until now it's impossible for somebody to get a hold of, as mentioned before, out-of-print books. Copyrights should never be longer than the profitable market life of the content copyrighted. Whatever happened to that idea?
     
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    Ambrose Chapel

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    No what I read about would not be illegal - this was something that hasn't happened yet.
     
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    Daveman Deluxe

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    My understanding is that the FCC has already made power-line networking illegal. It's just too dangerous.
     

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