The Jaguar family

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  1. kreesurgeon macrumors newbie

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    Some chap called Mossberg has been playing witha new iMac and writing his opinion on the MacCentral website

    I quote:
    "Oh, and one other thing: In stark contrast to Microsoft's practice with Windows, Apple is introducing family pricing for Jaguar. The company will sell for $199 a family version that can be legally installed on up to five computers," said Mossberg.

    anyone know anything about this. I don't want to be wasting my money buying some thing that's going to be eer.... erm..... ah! 2/5ths of the price!:confused:
     
  2. King Cobra macrumors 603

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    If you recall back to our very friendly Piracy and Mac OS X thread in the Macrumors News :rolleyes: many people were debating about how OS X was so expensive (supposibly the most expensive OS) that people would start to pirate it to save money (in other words, install it on multiple machines while paying for the price of one), which is illegal. What is [supposedly] going on here is that there will be a version of the software that costs only $40 per license, assuming you install this on 5 computers. This is an extention of the EULA, apparently, as, under normal circumstances, only one license per computer is allowed. Here, you can legally install OS X on up to 5 computers for a total of $200. This way, you can actually save money the legal way.
     
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  4. HasanDaddy macrumors 6502a

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    Similar to Windows XP, does JagWire stop working if installed on more than one computer? Does Apple keep tabs each time were on the internet?

    Thanks!
     
  5. MacUser1 macrumors 6502

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    I saw this too. I'm worried. Should I order a copy with the education discount, or should I wait for the "family" version. I'd hate to pay $200, but I want to install it on 2 or 3 computers.:confused:
     
  6. King Cobra macrumors 603

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    Let's do the math:

    Install one copy of Jaguar on two computers legally: $258

    Install the family version of Jaguar (yes, that means Homer, Marge, Maggie, Bart and Lisa can pet the nice kitty at once :D): $199

    Install one copy of Jaguar on two or three computers (illegally): $129...DANGER!!

    I'm guessing this option would come out right when Jaguar is released.
     
  7. Gus macrumors 65816

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    Wait a minute...

    Are you telling me that it is ILLEGAL for me to install 10.2 (or any Apple OS) on my 3 different computers that I own and operate? There is no way in hell that I am going to buy multiple copies for each machine, when I use them all. Please tell me that I am looking at this backwards or upside down or something. If Apple is meaning this, then I am going to be pissed (like they care ;) about lil' ol' me).

    Gus
     
  8. King Cobra macrumors 603

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    Gus, it is illegal to buy the 1-user license of OS X ($129) and use it simutaneously on your three computers, according to EULA rules. But, if you by the supposed 5-user license, it is considered legal.

    This goes the same with Photoshop, Norton, Appleworks, FCP, GoLive, whatever. However, people try and get away with installing multiple copies. It is illegal, whether you cannot be found out about this or not; however, a large number of people (see other thread) seem to give a rat's rectum.
     
  9. drastik macrumors 6502a

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    Re: Wait a minute...

    Well, prepare to be pissed because it is definitely illegal. But don't be pissed at apple, its illegal to do this with any operating system that you have to pay for. Only exception would be a free linux OS.

    Think about it, you're not aloud to install same programs on different computers either, that's what a liscence is.
     
  10. Nipsy macrumors 65816

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    Isn't that just great, Gus (1 user), has to buy a 5 user licencse to be "legal".

    Ahhh...lawyers...
     
  11. Gus macrumors 65816

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    Well color me an idiot

    I guess I should read more closely. From the Original OS X SLA:

    "You may install one copy of this software onto one single Apple-branded computer"

    Ok, sorry I flew off the handle earlier, but dang, that just seems wrong that I own three machines from Apple, with their software pre-installed, and then I have to shell out 3 times for an update. I know all of the financial and legal reasons for this, so please don't everyone flame me. It just seems very impractical for them to demand that the same person pay three times for machines that they own. Also, because I am worse than broke, and there is no way I can afford 3 copies of Jaguar. I'm still paying for one of the machines.:)

    Gus
     
  12. drastik macrumors 6502a

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    Since when is $129 the most expensive OS. XP pro is at least 200 to upgrade, I've never seen cheaper, and M$ definitely does not offer upgrade dsicounts anymore.
     
  13. Gus macrumors 65816

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    P.S.

    i am very much aware of the financial ramnifications of say a school or office abusing the SLA and installing multiple copies of the OS onto MANY machines for use, however, I can't see charging an INDIVIDUAL multiple times for the rights to use the OS on their own home machines. I know that this isn't going to happen as it is, and I know that it is illegal (now ;) ), but it still seems wrong, when I have already payed through the nose for the machines to begin with. Oh well, I guess that's just the way it is, and I will have to scrape up some money, but that sure is a kick in the teeth (and the wallet).

    Gus
     
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    Ok, back to the "family"

    If this is the case, (the whole OS X "Family" license) why isn't abailable now? Is Apple just trying to make as much money off of an initial release, and then tell us we have this option, or will you be able to upgrade to "Family" from a single-user license do you think? Like I said, I know Apple is a company, and companies need profits (especially nowadays), but to inform the users AFTER they already buy a single-user license (or multiple copies which I guess will be my case) is misleading and frankly (don't call me Frank) not something I expect from Apple. Obviously Walt knows about it, so how come we don't?

    Just a thought.

    Gus
     
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  17. King Cobra macrumors 603

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    >(drastik) Since when is $129 the most expensive OS. XP pro is at least 200 to upgrade, I've never seen cheaper, and M$ definitely does not offer upgrade dsicounts anymore.

    Some are saying that Apple pulled an M$, that Apple allowed us to "beta-test" their OS (10.0, 10.1) so that we would have to pay full price AGAIN for 10.2.
     
  18. Rocketman macrumors 603

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    Re: The Jaguar family

    Confirmed as fact.

    What is really cool is Apple is offering this so "honest people can stay honest" and is STILL leaving copy protection off the OSX system.

    This is tremendously great news.

    Apple trusts us and Apple hears us AT THE SAME TIME.

    Buy this product.

    This means in a pinch you can borrow a friend's Jagwire disc, but when was the last time you has to reinstall a MacOS?

    Rocketman.
     
  19. HasanDaddy macrumors 6502a

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    From CNET:

    "The family license program, to some degree, depends on the honor system. Although legally Mac owners are required to purchase a copy of the operating system for each Mac they own, Apple, unlike Microsoft, does not put technical barriers in place to prevent people from installing software on more than one machine.

    "Our software has never had draconian activation," said Bereskin. However, he said that many Mac owners want their installations to be legal, but they're not willing to pay full price for each copy of the operating system.

    "This is a great way to allow honest people to remain honest," Bereskin said."

    APPLE ROCKS! They protect those of us who cheat, and those of us who are honest.......unlike WinDoZe, who manage to SCREW OVER everyone (cheaters and non cheaters!).
     
  20. dwishbone macrumors regular

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    first off MacOS 10.2 is not the most expensive. XP Home is $99 but it is a crippled piece of rat terd next to XP Pro. Home doesnt even support NTFS (its NT based and doesnt support its OWN file system...bad MS).
    Yes it is illegal to install almost any software on multiple computers when you buy it. most programs include 1 user license. At least Apple trusts its users and doesnt include spyware to let them know if it is on more than one computer. As you all know XP lets MS constantly know your computer configuration. I have had my copy of XP crap out many times on ONE computer saying i installed it illegally. it detected my hardware upgrades as a "different" computer.
    It is a big honking pain in the keister everytime i change my home PC's configuration.
     
  21. hesdeadjim macrumors regular

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    Yeah

    Honestly, this makes me feel a lot better about the update price not being there. I only use one computer, but I have a lot of friends who use macs. We could all combine our money and buy a "family" liscense and share. They don't have to konw. And if there are any lisences left, we could give it to other friends. I must admit, I don't have a lot of "legal" software mostly because of the pure cost of it. But this is great news, and hopefully it is successful so that other software companies follow suit. It would also be great for small businesses. I think this is probably the best thing that Apple's done in a while.
     
  22. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

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    Okay, so the price is higher than expected.

    Is the value not there? Did Apple include a lot of things?

    Were there hundreds or thousands of Apple employees working on it?

    Does Apple want to stay in business and do we want them to stay in business?

    The family pricing sounds great since I have two machines here and then, my dad's machine as well.

    Gus:

    I understand what you're saying about buying the machines. You were given a licence to the operating system on each of those machines and you are welcome to run that version as long as you want, provided that you don't require support. It would be infeasable for any company to provide perpetual operating system licences unless they did very little enhancement.

    I had a situation on a big machine where the cost of the upgrade was going to be $27,000. IBM would eventually drop support for the O.S. we were using, so it was imperative to do it even if it wasn't pleasant.
     
  23. Gus macrumors 65816

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    Yeah

    I'm resigned to the fact that I have been an idiot abouot this for a while, but I now see the error of my ways. Problem is, is that I ordered Jaguar in July, loooong before this "family" thing, and if I can't just upgrade to the family pack , then I am going to have to shell out more money for the other computers. Once again, not Apple's fault, except for the timing of the announcement.

    As others have said:
    "all my money belong to Apple" :D

    Gus
     
  24. skunk macrumors G4

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    It's for real

    If you go to the AppleStore US page, and click on "Apple Software", the second item on the list is 10.2 five-licence "Family Pack", at $199. On the main OS X pages it's still at $129 for a single-user. Strangely low-key: you wouldn't even know it was there if you clicked on the obvious Mac OS X banner. Sadly, they don't have this option at the UK AppleStore yet. I've just cancelled my existing order to replace it with one of these beauties!
     
  25. chmorley macrumors 6502a

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    Stupid people are saying this. Why repeat it?

    Chris
     

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