The Official Tour de France Thread

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  1. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    OLN seems to be the official American partner of the TdF and I've been getting my info from them, here

    So is Lance going to win again? He seems to be in fine form and there are no other obvious contenders outside of Jan Ullrich who has had a pretty rough year. Although Lance has said that Jan is his only real comptetition.

    Sort of hard to tell at this point and the mountains are where the real action is.
     
  2. Freg3000 macrumors 68000

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    All I know about the Tour de France is that Lance has one the last 3 years (I think) and has an infinite amount of stages. :)

    I am sure this thread will be popular nonetheless.

    Edit: I always forget that nonetheless is one word!
     
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    lance is the man. it's a real shame the tour doesn't get the coverage it deserves here in the states. sure, we get coverage of the most boring "sport" in the world....golf...on every channel and major coverage of convicted rapists pummeling each other in the "sport" of boxing...but just try to find decent coverage of one of the most gifted atheletes in recent history.

    i think lance will take it again this year barring any major accidents.

    i read the guys got a standing heart rate of 60...incredible.

    btw, i worked with lance briefly in the 80's at a place in plano. he got fired after a few weeks because he wanted his schedule arranged around his races. who knew he'd become a legend?
     
  4. D*I*S_Frontman macrumors 6502

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    I heard his resting HR is actually about 34 bpm, or one massive gush every OTHER second. President Bush is reported to have a resting HR in the high 40's, which is still respectable among elite athletes (he's an exercise fanatic). Some cross country skiiers post even lower numbers (supposedly the exercise requiring the highest VO2 uptake in order to perform at a top level).

    I have also heard (correct me if I am wrong) that the Tour de France has been shortened in recent years from 2,500 miles to something closer to 2,000 total, all in an effort to give ANYONE else a shot at beating Armstrong, whose endurance and mental toughness over the course of the race stages are without peer.

    His utter domination of this sport is reminiscent of Jordan, Woods and Gretzky in their respective primes. He crushes all comers. Wow. I admire anyone who stands out as uniquely superior to anyone of his/her day.
     
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    The race this year is ~2140 miles. 3427.5 km to be exact. The first Tour de France was 2500 Km. The longest was 5564 km, in the last dozen years the distance has ranged from 3500 to 4000 km. This year will see some tough mountain stages and that is where Lance shines and there are few on this year's tour who can meet his challenge in the mountains. Any rumor about trying to stack the deck against Lance is anti-French sentiment pure and simple. Lance is far more respected in the cycling world and amongst the French than Greg LeMond was. The French value style in riders and Lance has it along with a determination that is unmatched. Indurain, despite his lowly origins and his phenomenal performance never caught the French eye like Merckx or Lance. Miguel Indurain had a resting heart beat of 29 and won five tours in a row.

    Interestingly enough, even though Lance has won 4 tours (4 others have won 5 each) he isn't in the top ten when it comes to stage wins. Eddie Merckx is at the top of that list with 34 stage wins (lifetime total). Merckx is also generally viewed as the world master of cycling and no one has come close to matching his style and endurance. He won 250 races, one a week for six years.

    Each of the multiple winners has brought his own unique style to the Tour and changed it forever.
     
  7. QCassidy352 macrumors G3

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    according to this web page for runners,
    http://www.d230.org/cs/sheehan/pe/heart.htm
    the lowest resting HR ever measured was 28, and the average is 70-90. So I would imagine that 34 has to be about right for Lance...
    as you can see from the average given above, high 40s is great for a normal person... but not quite on a par with elite athletes, at least endurance athletes such as long distance runners, bikers, swimmers, rowers, cross country skiiers, etc.
     
  8. jxyama macrumors 68040

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    AFAIK, Lance's popularity in France would probably be closer to Indurain's than Merckx. This is mostly because Lance doesn't speak French much, while Merckx was a Belgian and spoke fluent French... LeMond was much more "French friendly" than Lance... LeMond really assimilated himself to the French cycling scene. I believe he won his Tours on French teams. Lance's USPS is the first American team to win.

    Merckx is probably the greatest TdF rider ever. One year, he swept all three jerseys and won 6 stages, I believe. No one can ever duplicate that...

    I feel bad about Tyler Hamilton. I was hoping he's have a good TdF...
     
  9. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    I just measured my HR sitting here after drinking a couple cups of coffee and got a 56.....I can't even imagine what 28 bpm would be like! That's incredible!

    I'll have to try it in the morning before I get out of bed and see if its a little lower....

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  10. MacManDan macrumors 6502

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    I hope that this post does not stray too far off topic.

    Unfortunately .. I don't get OLN, but I noticed on the TdF website that portions will be aired on CBS .. I checked the "local listings" and didn't find anything. Could anyone help me out and tell me what time the coverage airs? :confused:
     
  11. meta-ghost macrumors regular

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    Real Player

    Slightly off topic, but when I use the OLN daily clips:
    http://www.letour.fr/2003/us/index.html
    in Media Player (required) i'm only getting sound. Anybody having success or do I have a setting that needs to be adjusted? I don't typically use Media Player.
     
  12. jxyama macrumors 68040

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    if many of us are like me (living in the u.s., working during the day, can't watch tv but can use the internet), you may try following TdF online at Eurosport.com

    excellent live text coverage. i used it extensively even while i was in france because 1) i couldn't be at home during the day and 2) i didn't understand french.
    (i got the visuals in the evening on french tv... knowing what happened, i could follow the footage even not knowing french. :D)
     
  13. peterjhill macrumors 65816

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    Last year I listened to the audio stream, the same one that OLN does on cable, and then refreshed the gaps page, which is very nice, showing any gaps in the peleton, all this on the oln web site.

    I just picked up a Felt F80 road bike. It is a mixture of 105 and tiagra with a 7005 al frame. I am very happy, considering the $800 price. The F80 is the same bike as the 2003 F75.
     
  14. billyboy macrumors 65816

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    I train in a town called Béjar in Spain where Lance Armstrong´s right hand man Roberto Heras lives. The word is that Lance Armstrong will have to be at his ultimate best this year because unlike previous years, the better riders are now spread in different teams. So the attacks on him will be concerted and from maybe seven different angles. I hope he wins primarily because cycling needs heroes, and a fifth win would definitely place him near the top of the pile, although he will never eclipse Merckz, the Cannibal!

    Armstrong is the best all round cyclist at the moment by a mile, but, and I know the US supporters will flame this, but Roberto Heras is genuinely the best climber in the world. It is why USPS paid so much for him to pace Armstrong in the mountains. It is generally accepted locally that Roberto has prostituted himself (in the cycling sense I hasten to add), but nobody begrudges him for his decision. Basically his wealth will benefit the town. If he could time trial like Armstrong arguably Armstrong would be supporting him.

    Maybe this year, according to another local ex Vuelta winner, Lale Cubino, as reward for his efforts supporting and protecting Armstrong from the Ulrichs and Aitors, Heras could well be allowed to follow his instincts and escape to take a mountain stage. And for the doubters requesting evidence of Heras´ incredible talent, take a look at how he climbed the Angliru and la Cobertilla in last year´s Vuelta.

    BTW my resting heart rate is 41, the pros I know are around 34 - 36bpm, 100% efficient lungs and a peace of mind that is awesome. They race in such pain yet they recover quickly and always seem to have a smile on their face after all the effort has subsided. Vive le Tour!
     
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    no flaming from me... heras is definitely better than lance in climbing. he was incredible in vuelta and tdf last year. i was quite amazed he agreed to be lance's leutenant after having had so much success on the kelme team. just like tyler hamilton, he's got what it takes to be a team leader... and possibly the one to unseat lance if he can improve his TT skills.

    i'd pay attention to botero and beloki... i think botero will definitely benefit from being on a strong team, telekom. beloki has been good the last few years and a lucky break for him or two and he might win it all. of course, ulrich must also be considered...
     
  16. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    Moving this to the community forum - this is an ongoing event, not a single story.

    Thanks for all the links - coverage here in the states is far from stellar. The first site I went to - CNN.SI had one little blurb about the race, nothing more. :(

    D
     
  17. jxyama macrumors 68040

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    Ack! I wish the American press would do a little better job covering TdF...

    They always headline "Lance finishing XXth place."

    When will they understand that in a regular stage, it's completely irrelevant what position you finish in??

    Ugh. I wish they'd at least explain that because it was a bunch finish, Lance gets the same time as Petacchi even if he technically finished minutes later in 110th place...

    Can't wait for the TTT. Gonna be great. Also good to see Tyler sticking it out. And the mountain stage... I've gone skiing in Morzine - the first mountain stage on Sat. My old Honda was huffing and puffing on the way up, can't imagine biking up!
     
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    Indeed, the only coverage I've seen was this piece of trash on Fox the other night:

    Time now for "The Most Ridiculous Item of the Day"...

    The Tour de France bike race is under way over there.Ê Of course, since we're boycotting France, I'm not riding in the race this year.Ê If I were, watch out, Lance Armstrong.Ê Not really.Ê My bike has training wheels. Anyway, a big smack-up today in the Tour de France.Ê You'll see in a moment.Ê Whoop.Ê There they go.Ê Boom.Ê Boom.Ê Ay yi yi!

    I'm spreading the rumor that Jacques Chirac caused all this by pouring French wine all over the highway.Ê Of course, that isn't true, but, at this point, Jacques deserves anything I say about him. No serious injuries in the pile-up -- and we're happy about that -- but anything that happens in France is, of course, ridiculous.

    (by Bill O'Reilly on The O'Reilly Factor)

    Please, back to the regular discussion. I don't want to turn this into an O'Reilly thread, honest.
    :rolleyes:
     
  19. Ugg thread starter macrumors 68000

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    My opinion of you has dropped dramatically now that I know you watch FOX! Shame, shame! ;)

    It would be easy to say that it is all about the French/US divide but I think what it really indicates is that Americans don't understand cycling. It doesn't fit our ideas of teamwork (football) or of individual sports (alpine skiing) It is a unique mix of individual and team sports where team members have to perform extremely well on the team events because if they don't they'll drag down the top member when it comes to the final scoring. Then, the team is there to protect and assist the team leader at the expense of the their own individual scores.

    Cycling became popular in the 70s along with XC skiing and I think that some view them as some kind of socialist/European sport. Also, they don't offer the high action that other sports do and they don't do tv well in comparison. Mountain biking on the other hand has a bigger amateur and prof. following (lots of mud and action).

    Too bad that FOX feels the need to put down one of the world's greatest sporting events for political reasons.
     
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    US Postal just won the TTT! (By 30 sec. :eek: over ONCE - winner of last 3 TdF TTT!)

    Since Victor Hugo Pena had a slightly better TT in the prologue than Lance, he will take the yellow...

    Nice to see one of Lance's leutenants being "rewarded." Not sure if USPS will seriously defend this jersey for the rest of the week until the mountain stage, expending energy, but it's a good thing for now...

    I can already see the American press hyping the fact USPS riders are occupying 1st, 2nd and a bunch of other top 10 places when in fact, it's somewhat artificial as a result of TTT...

    (If I'm not mistaken, USPS will occupy first 8 places on the yellow jersey standing. Then Beloki 9th...)
     
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    USPS were pretty impressive today, and the Colombian was probably the sweatiest Yellow Jersey holder in cycling history.

    With Heras it still amazes me how a body that can almost sprint up hill after hill in a 6 hour 200km mountain stage cant really hold it together for a 40 minute individual TT yet he seemed OK in the longer TTT of today. I know its about teamwork v individual. Cant they TT in pairs, Lance and Roberto.

    Roll on the mountains and lets see the real battle begin (ie the Basque flag-waving nationalists v the police.) Considering cycling is such an international sport and the Basque country is arguably the powerhouse of Spanish cycling,(how politically incorrect was that statement?) it seems really trite that the cycling authorities chose not to promote the Basque language at one of the upcoming stages.
     
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    Yeah, the mt stages are the best beyond a doubt, can't wait to see how Ulrich does. I have hopes that he'll make a good showing but the mts will tell the story for sure.
     
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    Yet again the escapees are caught within sight of the line by the peloton. For nearly 200kms OGrady and ? were out on their own but with 25kms to go the peloton knuckled down and ate up the time difference. At one stage the pack was making up 20 seconds a minute, moving along the flat sections at over 70kph. Scary.

    That Pataachi sprinter, the stage winner, is something else too. He seems to know exactly when to go and his last spurt looks so effortless. When they rode steel frames, some of those guys could literally cause the back end to bend when they accelerated, putting over 1000 watts of power through the pedals. As an idea, for the average fit human on an exercise bike, a constant 200 watts takes some doing. I think I read that to compete in the major Tours, the cyclists need to be able to average about 400 watts output, day after day.

    Apparently when Boardman did his hour record on a conventional bike, the constant power output for the hour was more than a good club cyclist can maintain for 90 seconds.

    Tomorrow should be a good taster as they head into them there hills behind Lyon.
     
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    anyone know if ullrich abandoned his large gear, low cadence climbing style after watching lance's small gear, high cadence style?

    mountain stages will be cool...
     
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    Depends, if he needs to lose weight he´d be better off with Lance´s twirling style! But he´ll have to be careful to get it right. USPS have taken TT to a new level but they arent invincible. In the mountain TT in the Tour of Catalunia recently Heras was given a 48 cog and on that particular climb he had no hope against the unpronounceable Spaniard cranking bigger 53 tooth gears which just plain suited the terrain better.
     

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